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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 07:31 PM   #106
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:32 PM   #107
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Negative. You are confusing years of experience with personal financial information.
What have you learned from your years of experience? Wisdom doesn't just come through living. It comes from learning during your living.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:35 PM   #108
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What have you learned from your years of experience? Wisdom doesn't just come through living. It comes from learning during your living.
See, we can agree on some things. Just don't confuse knowledge with wisdom.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:35 PM   #109
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Oh, I thought personal background information was how we judged arguments around here. At least that's how you've judged my posts for several years now.
Right. You're a know it all brat.

If you were anybody else I would tell you, one day you'll look back on this and say "yeah, The Mad Crapper was right" but in your case thats never going to happen.

You'll be the same windbag you are now when you are forty.

And You might even still be a virgin.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:36 PM   #110
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No asshole, I'm mocking you personally. Just because you're a part of an organization doesn't make that organization a reflection of your stupid ass.

So leave your affiliations out of it.
But the 'organization' is intricately tied up into how I live my life and the choices I make.

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And I don't care if a guy takes a celibacy vow, I think thats admirable. But on the other hand, I'm not gonna sit here and get lectured to about anything or life in general by somebody who hasn't had a whole lot of experiences other than sitting in a classroom like a drone like you.
I didn't ask to be mocked (or lectured, as you might have put it) for my living out my religion by you. You came at me with: "You're a virgin, aren't you?"

What life experiences have you had that trump mine? I'm a firm believer in (not only the Church, which you wouldn't know about) the quality of the years, not the quantity of the years.

You tell me what makes you better than me, and then we'll proceed from there.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:36 PM   #111
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What have you learned from your years of experience? Wisdom doesn't just come through living. It comes from learning during your living.


You're like a walking talking hallmark card, just like your moonbat messiah, B.O.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:40 PM   #112
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See, we can agree on some things. Just don't confuse knowledge with wisdom.
Right, your knowledge is suspect as well, though. Your posts display little knowledge and little wisdom.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:42 PM   #113
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Right, your knowledge is suspect as well, though. Your posts display little knowledge and little wisdom.
And your posts display a know-it-all attitude from someone who has yet to step a foot out of the academic environment.
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Right. You're a know it all brat.

If you were anybody else I would tell you, one day you'll look back on this and say "yeah, The Mad Crapper was right" but in your case thats never going to happen.

You'll be the same windbag you are now when you are forty.

And You might even still be a virgin.
This post is a white flag. What are you right about? That the Church's teachings on sexuality are stupid?
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This post is a white flag. What are you right about? That the Church's teachings on sexuality are stupid?
Yes, they are. Though I am not catholic.
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And your posts display a know-it-all attitude from someone who has yet to step a foot out of the academic environment.
What makes you better than me? What makes your experiences better than mine? You need to put up your case because that's always the end point of your arguments.

Pete: secession good
Jenson71: no, bad
Pete: You're inexperienced

Let's hear your case, pete.
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What makes you better than me? What makes your experiences better than mine? You need to put up your case because that's always the end point of your arguments.

Pete: secession good
Jenson71: no, bad
Pete: You're inexperienced

Let's hear your case, pete.
My case for what? Secession? You tell us, Jenson, what is a State to do when it's people are fed up with the over-reaching of the Fed Gov?
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By the way, I don't think you don't make that much money.
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My case for what? Secession? You tell us, Jenson, what is a State to do when it's people are fed up with the over-reaching of the Fed Gov?
No, your case for experience. I want to know why your opinion is such much better than mine. You say it's because of experience. Well, what about it? What experiences specifically make your political opinion so much better than mine?
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But the 'organization' is intricately tied up into how I live my life and the choices I make.
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I didn't ask to be mocked (or lectured, as you might have put it) for my living out my religion by you. You came at me with: "You're a virgin, aren't you?"
Dude, honestly it was just a joke. You come across as one, but hey, you really are, and I can respect that in and of itself.

But if I was in your place, I would tone down the rest of your act, and try applying some humility to your life-- you know live out your religion.

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What life experiences have you had that trump mine?
Like I said before, I wouldn't share ANYTHING of my personal life with a creepy little central planner and drone like you.

You and the other moonbats in here are like little washroom hens.

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I'm a firm believer in (not only the Church, which you wouldn't know about) the quality of the years, not the quantity of the years.
Well duh, I felt the same way when I was 22. What else can you say?

The fact is, you're a dopey kid who outside of a few books you read, don't know shit about shit, and all of your opinions and your perspective are COOKIE CUTTER LEFTIST CLAPTRAP.

Do you really think that you are expressing original ideas? The older guys in here can't stand you because they've all heard it a thousand times already from a thousand other moonbats, and then you pile on your arrogance and it's no wonder people want to beat the crap out of you.


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You tell me what makes you better than me, and then we'll proceed from there.

My discernment, number one.
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