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Old 01-27-2010, 11:12 AM  
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:12 PM   #796
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Dying codec aside, we're at the same point we've been over. HTML4 can serve h264 video. H.264 is not an HTML5 only deal. So your point is moot, but I don't expect you to get that on the eighth time around.
And once again you don't get the technologies involved at all. html4 CAN NOT SERVE VIDEO OF ANY KIND. HTML4 can offer a link to video that a browser plug-in will then attempt to play (Flash, Quicktime, etc etc).. that is not at all the same. PLEASE don't tell me what I don't get when you clearly have no clue here. Do you even know what the big difference with html4 vs html5 video is? (hint.. html4 video DOESN'T EXIST)

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I frankly don't care if WebM takes hold. I'm sure Apple will support it because it's performance will be fine whereas flash is not.

Which is mostly a moot point because Apple will most likely support WebM. They aren't against open web technologies. They're against CLOSED web technologies. Also, that's a different stance that being a CLOSED business model.
As of right now, Jobs has taken a public stance AGAINST WebM.. so yes, they SHOULD adopt WebM but Jobs' ego may prevent them from doing so in time.

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For what? Online games? Sure. Video? It's a draw, whether you like it or not.

I still don't see the huge draw for flash.
The huge draw is being able to see the vast majority of video out there... RIGHT NOW an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can NOT. Big media companies are loathe to move to HTML5 because there is no DRM. Flash or a custom app fills this need for them. If you want to argue FOR a custom app for every video enabled website... that makes more sense (annoying and unsustainable as it may be).
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:41 PM   #797
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And once again you don't get the technologies involved at all. html4 CAN NOT SERVE VIDEO OF ANY KIND. HTML4 can offer a link to video that a browser plug-in will then attempt to play (Flash, Quicktime, etc etc).. that is not at all the same. PLEASE don't tell me what I don't get when you clearly have no clue here. Do you even know what the big difference with html4 vs html5 video is? (hint.. html4 video DOESN'T EXIST)
Absolutely correct.

The problem here is that you seem to think the only plugin worth a damn is flash. Because you've consistently ignored quicktime as an avenue for Apple's touch products to view h264 content on our internet as it is now. Ie. HTML4


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As of right now, Jobs has taken a public stance AGAINST WebM.. so yes, they SHOULD adopt WebM but Jobs' ego may prevent them from doing so in time.
Can you link to this stance?

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The huge draw is being able to see the vast majority of video out there... RIGHT NOW an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can NOT. Big media companies are loathe to move to HTML5 because there is no DRM. Flash or a custom app fills this need for them. If you want to argue FOR a custom app for every video enabled website... that makes more sense (annoying and unsustainable as it may be).
That's what I've been saying DRM is the sticking point here.

However, the iPad can see the vast majority of video out there. I don't know why you keep insisting otherwise.
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Old 05-29-2010, 02:06 PM   #798
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Absolutely correct.

The problem here is that you seem to think the only plugin worth a damn is flash. Because you've consistently ignored quicktime as an avenue for Apple's touch products to view h264 content on our internet as it is now. Ie. HTML4
...you do realize the iPad can't view a raw video link right? So video via html4 is NOT an option for the ipad.

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However, the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can see the vast majority of video out there. I don't know why you keep insisting otherwise.
HAHAHAHAHA.. you know the difference between iPad-ready(a figure that ranges from 26% to 66% depending on the source) and ACTUALLy being seen by an iPad right? Even if you take the incorrect 66% figure as correct for iPad-ready video... you still can't ACTUALLY see it on an ipad. End of story.

Megavideo, Zshare, wisevid, Youku.com, Tudou.com.. (I can name DOZENS more) have good portions of video that is encoded in h.264 (nowhere NEAR even 40%... but enough) Take a guess what percentage of video from those sites is accessible on an iPad.... if you guessed anything other than ZERO, you'd be wrong.

THAT is the current state of things... I could give a crap about ipad-READY video... what's the point if the sites refuse to serve said video... (see Hulu, NBC, Timne Warner)
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Old 05-29-2010, 02:15 PM   #799
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bullshit. You can use Air Server... I can watch EVERY video file that I have on my PC on my iPad.

It's not rooted either... somethings aren't going to be as direct as a PC... but there are ways to accomplish anything you want, for the most part.

I say that as mostly a Google guy... not an Apple fanboy in the slightest.
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Old 05-29-2010, 02:20 PM   #800
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bullshit. You can use Air Server... I can watch EVERY video file that I have on my PC on my iTouch Senior Citizen Edition.

It's not rooted either... somethings aren't going to be as direct as a PC... but there are ways to accomplish anything you want, for the most part.

I say that as mostly a Google guy... not an Apple fanboy in the slightest.
um, that is only for video you have on your local machine... if I wanted that, I'd just convert the file and load it onto the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition itself. That would do me absolutely no good since I don't store videos ..I watch them as I come across them online... If I have to run home and download the video .. I'll just watch it then on my desktop. I see what you mean for movie you HAVE, but that isn't really what we're talking about.
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Old 05-29-2010, 02:24 PM   #801
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...you do realize the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can't view a raw video link right? So video via html4 is NOT an option for the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition.
Thank you for proving my point, once again.

First, you were upset that my link was a direct link. Now, you're saying the iPad can't view raw links. Unless, of course, you mean something different with "raw video link", which seems unlikely and weird if true.


Not only is the source shaky at best but the article Jobs referred the alleged emailer to makes a lot of sense. No where does it say they won't support it, especially if it "wins".

Pretty weak.


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HAHAHAHAHA.. you know the difference between iTouch Senior Citizen Edition-ready(a figure that ranges from 26% to 66% depending on the source) and ACTUALLy being seen by an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition right? Even if you take the incorrect 66% figure as correct for iTouch Senior Citizen Edition-ready video... you still can't ACTUALLY see it on an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition. End of story.
I'm assuming you're saying you can't actually see it because it's flash?

Again, you'd be wrong.

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Megavideo, Zshare, wisevid, Youku.com, Tudou.com.. (I can name DOZENS more) have good portions of video that is encoded in h.264 (nowhere NEAR even 40%... but enough) Take a guess what percentage of video from those sites is accessible on an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition.... if you guessed anything other than ZERO, you'd be wrong.

THAT is the current state of things... I could give a crap about iTouch Senior Citizen Edition-READY video... what's the point if the sites refuse to serve said video... (see Hulu, NBC, Timne Warner)
Who said they're refusing (other than Hulu, NBC and TW - and those are for purely DRM issues)?
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Thank you for proving my point, once again.

First, you were upset that my link was a direct link. Now, you're saying the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can't view raw links. Unless, of course, you mean something different with "raw video link", which seems unlikely and weird if true.




Not only is the source shaky at best but the article Jobs referred the alleged emailer to makes a lot of sense. No where does it say they won't support it, especially if it "wins".

Pretty weak.




I'm assuming you're saying you can't actually see it because it's flash?

Again, you'd be wrong.



Who said they're refusing (other than Hulu, NBC and TW - and those are for purely DRM issues)?



oh dear god... I need to take a break .. you are in over your head on this.. if you actually LISTENED to what I've been telling you, you may learn something... I'll respond to this MESS later.. wow.
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Thank you for proving my point, once again.

First, you were upset that my link was a direct link. Now, you're saying the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can't view raw links. Unless, of course, you mean something different with "raw video link", which seems unlikely and weird if true.
HUH??? how are you not getting this? raw link= direct link.. A direct link is just a file download.. you get that right? The BROWSER has no CLUE what the file is.. because html4 doesn't KNOW the difference between a psd and a mpg file... because there is no TAG to support either. No media company is going to serve copyrighted material over a direct link... how do you not get this?

If a direct video link works in an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition it's because Apple wrote hooks into the browser to detect and play video.. do you have any idea what a massive security hole this open up??? Either way, it is not served as video by html4, it is a "dumb" file download on html4 that Apple may compensate for with browser/OS hooks. regardless, it's a moot point because the files are NOT being served that way... nor does even Apple expect that.. which is why they keep lying about html5 support being here already in a viable way.

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Not only is the source shaky at best but the article Jobs referred the alleged emailer to makes a lot of sense. No where does it say they won't support it, especially if it "wins".
Again, let's stick to NOW... Apple does not support it now.. no one knows what they will do eventually.

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I'm assuming you're saying you can't actually see it because it's flash?

Again, you'd be wrong.
Here is where your ignorance of the subject truly shines through. Get yourself an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition and go to any of those sites... YOU CAN NOT WATCH THEIR VIDEOS. PERIOD. YOU GET A BIG BLUE BLOCK WITH A QUESTION MARK ON IT! Those sites use different plugins (Flash, Divx, etc) that are not supported by the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition... you simply CAN NOT watch video on those sites from an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition. please show me how you can watch video from those sites...


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Who said they're refusing (other than Hulu, NBC and TW - and those are for purely DRM issues)?
They are refusing by the fact that they are NOT doing it and haven't announced any plans to do so.



Let's keep it simple... if you have an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition in front of you right now... you can NOT watch a majority of video online or even close to it. The figure is less then 25%.. my best guess is 10% (mostly due to some html5 video adoption by youtube)

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...you do realize the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition can't view a raw video link right? So video via html4 is NOT an option for the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition.
btw, I mispoke here... it should read... the ipad can't view raw video links natively in the broswer without html5... I do believe Apple wrote hooks to check a raw link and open a quicktime (or somesuch) player... but as discussed ad naseum.. no media companies serve video via direct download... it would be idiotic.

My bad.
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Old 05-29-2010, 06:59 PM   #805
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I'm still waiting for this giant list of 100 video sites you visit on a regular basis that an i-Pad can't see video from. I can think of NFL.com... but not many more.

Scratch that. Viewing video from NFL.com on it right now. Looks like html5 to me.

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I'm still waiting for this giant list of 100 video sites you visit on a regular basis that an i-Pad can't see video from. I can think of NFL.com... but not many more.

Scratch that. Viewing video from NFL.com on it right now. Looks like html5 to me.
megavideo, zshare, 56.com, wisevid, todou, youku, nbc, hulu, divxden, almost every link on myp2p.eu (literally dozens if not hundreds of sites there).. most links on surfthechannel....

I don't have a list of 100 sites I go thru like bookmarks... I have sites (like myp2p.eu and surfthechannel) that compile lists of video I want to see... I then follow links to various sites to watch the video... trust me it adds up to alot of different sites.. probably not 100 but definitely 50+
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I've never even HEARD of most of those sites. What percentage of video do they serve in terms of internet traffic? I mean, you keep saying the "majority" of internet traffic, but what does that look like in terms of numbers? Not being able to view Hulu sucks, but won't be an issue when they have their own player.

The MyP2P links are legit, but can you even view those on ANY phone? I thought you needed a program like TVAnts for it to work.
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I've never even HEARD of most of those sites. What percentage of video do they serve in terms of internet traffic? I mean, you keep saying the "majority" of internet traffic, but what does that look like in terms of numbers? Not being able to view Hulu sucks, but won't be an issue when they have their own player.

The MyP2P links are legit, but can you even view those on ANY phone? I thought you needed a program like TVAnts for it to work.
You need a program for probably half, the rest are flash based.

In regards to the other sites... I have no clue and it would be hard to determine since some are oversees and most carry copyrighted material that they shouldn't.

I do know that a reputable site placed the number of ipad-ready videos at 26%.. that doesn't mean they are accessible.. just that they are h.264 encoded and COULD be moved over to HTML5 if needed. The 66% figure was from an encoding site so that probably reflects NEW video... the 26% figure was from a search site and reflects ALL video.
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I guess I'm just wondering what it is in terms of real content for US users. It doesn't seem like there's much that you can't see. YouTube, Vimeo, BBC, CNN, ESPN... there's a ton of video on those sites and they all work great.
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I guess I'm just wondering what it is in terms of real content for US users. It doesn't seem like there's much that you can't see. YouTube, Vimeo, BBC, CNN, ESPN... there's a ton of video on those sites and they all work great.
I watch a very select few things on YouTube and even less on the rest, my video comes 90% from the sites I mentioned... The video online is mostly junk... except the pirate sites I watch... and Hulu I guess... and the live sports streaming... none of which can be viewed on i-Pad...

I just don't care about the crap on youtube and I'd much rather read articles on ESPN and CNN... so the scant video available on an i-pad is, to me, the WRONG video.
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