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Old 05-27-2010, 06:16 PM   #766
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Again, you make it sound like a chore. It's just as easy as a bookmark in a web browser. This is a really silly battle to pick, here. There's no "managing" to be done. I guess the apps in the Android OS are somehow different, because they just automatically know when you want to use and install them??

As for the subscription thing, it may be coming to the website, as well. They've both been talked about.
No.. apps are a pain if you need a seperate app for every website you visit...

It's not a silly argument.. it's Apple's silly solution to a real problem.

Actually it IS a silly argument, I stand corrected... it's a silly argument because those apps don't exist. Right now, there is NO WAY to get that content on an iPad... and thos apps may NEVER exist if Android tablets live up to hype AND come out soon enough.
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Old 05-27-2010, 06:49 PM   #767
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No.. apps are a pain if you need a seperate app for every website you visit...
What makes them a pain? Take me through the steps that make it a pain. With two taps of my finger, I'm in the app, working around. Hit the home button to quit the current app, and then tap on the new one. Literally two taps. How is that any different than a webpage? Tap the bookmarks, scroll down to link, tap link... page loads.

Again, how is it that different?

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Actually it IS a silly argument, I stand corrected... it's a silly argument because those apps don't exist. Right now, there is NO WAY to get that content on an iTouch Senior Citizen Edition... and thos apps may NEVER exist if Android tablets live up to hype AND come out soon enough.
That's a lot of hinging on "maybes" and "ifs."
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:54 PM   #768
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What makes them a pain? Take me through the steps that make it a pain. With two taps of my finger, I'm in the app, working around. Hit the home button to quit the current app, and then tap on the new one. Literally two taps. How is that any different than a webpage? Tap the bookmarks, scroll down to link, tap link... page loads.

Again, how is it that different?



That's a lot of hinging on "maybes" and "ifs."
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a pain, but it's definitely against the recent trend in online technologies. Everything is moving toward platform-neutral programs that live in "the cloud." Meanwhile, Apple is pushing for platform-specific, proprietary programs. Nothing wrong with that from a capitalistic standpoint, but it makes a lot of extra work for developers.

The problem, as I see it, is that Apple's philosophies are starting to annoy the people they need the most - developers. That's fine if they're content to being a niche provider for phones like they're a niche provider for computers - they very well could keep making a reasonable profit on the iPhone/iTouch Senior Citizen Edition platform. But their current philosophies don't lend themselves well to holding onto their dominance in the market now that strong competition is sneaking up from Android.

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Old 05-27-2010, 09:02 PM   #769
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:51 AM   #770
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What makes them a pain? Take me through the steps that make it a pain. With two taps of my finger, I'm in the app, working around. Hit the home button to quit the current app, and then tap on the new one. Literally two taps. How is that any different than a webpage? Tap the bookmarks, scroll down to link, tap link... page loads.

Again, how is it that different?



That's a lot of hinging on "maybes" and "ifs."
Yes "ifs" and "maybes" that DON'T exist for the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition right now... so.. let's not if and maybe around the FACT that the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition DOES NOT support most web video... talk to me when it does....

AND it is fine to "two tap" my way until I have 100 apps that I have to sort thru to get the content I want... an APP for every video providing website is a ****ING stupid model... do you REALLY believe that's the best model? HELL even Jobs doesn't, he WAS counting on html5 supporting h.264.. oops...
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:02 AM   #771
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You are like the MASTER of hyperbole. 100 apps for every single piece of content? Seriously? I have like . . . 3. And again, you FAIL TO TELL ME how it's ANY different than having 100 bookmarks for webpages. And yeah, you can view most video on the web with the i-Pad. Most web video comes from YouTube, anyway, which the i-Pad handles flawlessly. CNN? ESPN? They work fine, too. I think you're vastly overestimating the content that isn't available to the i-Pad. It's certainly not the best; I won't argue that. But it's more than adequate.

And it may not be ideal for you, but there are CERTAINLY advantages to it. Like when I launch the ABC Video App, I know that when I click on the videos, I'm going to get full episodes right then. If I go to the ABC website, I have to wade through a bunch of menus just to get to the video. The app is certainly more streamlined than the website.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:11 AM   #772
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You are like the MASTER of hyperbole. 100 apps for every single piece of content? Seriously? I have like . . . 3. And again, you FAIL TO TELL ME how it's ANY different than having 100 bookmarks for webpages.

And it may not be ideal for you, but there are CERTAINLY advantages to it. Like when I launch the ABC Video App, I know that when I click on the videos, I'm going to get full episodes right then. If I go to the ABC website, I have to wade through a bunch of menus just to get to the video. The app is certainly more streamlined than the website.
ok, NO I said 100 apps due to the fact that I may vist 100 sites for video content.. each requiring a different app... try to keep up.

Seriously, bet me on the APP versus standards based web model ... let's see which is more sustainable. It's a proprietary crap, half-assed model that will FAIL. It simply fullfills a need NOW that in 12-18 months is gone. I made this same Apple bet 15 years ago and won it.. please tell me you'll put your money where your mouth is on this. You don't ACTUALLY believe that an APP based model isn't going BACKWARDS? As I said before, even Jobs knows better.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:19 AM   #773
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And yeah, you can view most video on the web with the i-Pad. Most web video comes from YouTube, anyway, which the i-Pad handles flawlessly. CNN? ESPN? They work fine, too. I think you're vastly overestimating the content that isn't available to the i-Pad. It's certainly not the best; I won't argue that. But it's more than adequate.
For how long? YouTube is encoding HD video in WebM format from now on... what happens if they stop support for h264 all together (very likely)... YouTube, Google and the rest are adopting something crazy called.. OPEN SOURCE STANDARDS... if Apple is smart (and so far they have been stubborn) they will follow suit.. if not.. they wil ONCE AGAIN face bankruptcy due to Jobs' piss ignorant arogance... I have never seen a man take GREAT technology and piss away opportunity like he can... (NeXT)
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:24 AM   #774
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i have alot of apps and you know what? its easier to use then typing in a website. I have mlb.tv app, nba, espn, fox sports, ustream, justin tv. espn radio.

Its not a pain at all. its very easy to use.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:32 AM   #775
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i have alot of apps and you know what? its easier to use then typing in a website. I have mlb.tv app, nba, espn, fox sports, ustream, justin tv. espn radio.

Its not a pain at all. its very easy to use.
I agree that it's fine with 10 even 20 apps... but how easy would it be to browse the web and EVERY time you run across video content have to find and load another app... as oppossed to just browsing and getting content served to you in the browser?

The browser based model is simply better.. end of story... Apple was just too lazy and self centered to engage Adobe(yes, they suck) enough.. Google went the correct route and Android 2.2 will prove it.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:41 AM   #777
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ok, NO I said 100 apps due to the fact that I may vist 100 sites for video content.. each requiring a different app... try to keep up.
It's not a matter of keeping up. Name your 100 video sites for content that are currently inaccessible for the i-Pad that you visit at least once a week. Seriously. Hyperbole.

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Seriously, bet me on the APP versus standards based web model ... let's see which is more sustainable. It's a proprietary crap, half-assed model that will FAIL. It simply fullfills a need NOW that in 12-18 months is gone. I made this same Apple bet 15 years ago and won it.. please tell me you'll put your money where your mouth is on this. You don't ACTUALLY believe that an APP based model isn't going BACKWARDS? As I said before, even Jobs knows better.
I don't see it as a better vs. worse thing. Obviously, apps are successful and they work. Otherwise, Android wouldn't HAVE a marketplace. Now, is it a little different that the i-Pad will require some apps where another device won't? Yeah, but as I've said, there are trade-offs either way. Hell, you can use the Twitter site on both the iPhone and Android devices, yet both offer Twitter apps because of increased functionality. What does that tell you?

But apps are here to stay. If you want to make a bet that the App Store is gone in 18 months, then I will SURELY take that bet. It's here to stay.
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what happens if they stop support for h264 all together (very likely)
What if the moon turns black and we all wake up with cancer tomorrow? Why don't we cross that bridge when we come to it?
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I agree that it's fine with 10 even 20 apps... but how easy would it be to browse the web and EVERY time you run across video content have to find and load another app... as oppossed to just browsing and getting content served to you in the browser?

The browser based model is simply better.. end of story... Apple was just too lazy and self centered to engage Adobe(yes, they suck) enough.. Google went the correct route and Android 2.2 will prove it.
OR, what happens when you are browsing the internet, come across something, click it and it auto-launches the app for it? That capability already exists.

I agree that I would rather have it in the browser for SOME things, but on a portable device, an app works better for SOME things. It's not a black and white issue here. One way doesn't work 100% better all the time.
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