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Old 01-27-2010, 11:12 AM  
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:22 AM   #241
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On the subject of e-books... Browsing the App Store last night on my Touch, found a now-free app called "Classics", which puts 23 classic books in your iPod Touch or iPhone:

Call Of The Wild
The Art of War
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Wizard of Oz
Frankenstein
The Count of Monte Cristo
Treasure Island
Dracula
Pride and Prejudice
Flatland
Gulliver's Travels
A Christmas Carol
The Metamorphosis
Hound Of The Baskervilles
The Time Machine
Huck Finn
The Jungle Book
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
Paradise Lost
Robinson Crusoe
Alice in Wonderland
Through the Looking Glass

You tap the book on the shelf, then flip the pages with your finger. If you close the book, it puts a bookmark in place.
Thanks for that find.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:43 AM   #242
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Why do people just keep mentioning ebook readers..

lol

This does exponentially more than ebook readers. I don't even know how they can compare.
I think it's because an e-book reader is the niche that most people were considering purchasing a product to fill. No one really needs a big ipod or a flat screen PC at this point in time (we haven't been shown, yet, why we'd need one), but people have been marketed e-book readers extensively. As such, if you're considering a purchase, it's a natural comparison to make.

For example: "Well, I've been thinking about getting one of those e-book readers... and now Apple has this thing out that looks like I can do that... plus I can do a bunch of other stuff." For people who were considering an e-book reader, the "bunch of other stuff" is just icing. Of course, what they don't realize is that the "bunch of other stuff" is actually the cake.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:49 AM   #243
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I think it's because an e-book reader is the niche that most people were considering purchasing a product to fill. No one really needs a big ipod or a flat screen PC at this point in time (we haven't been shown, yet, why we'd need one), but people have been marketed e-book readers extensively. As such, if you're considering a purchase, it's a natural comparison to make.

For example: "Well, I've been thinking about getting one of those e-book readers... and now Apple has this thing out that looks like I can do that... plus I can do a bunch of other stuff." For people who were considering an e-book reader, the "bunch of other stuff" is just icing. Of course, what they don't realize is that the "bunch of other stuff" is actually the cake.
well put.....pretty much sums up exactly what the iPad is & what is means to the eReader's market.

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Old 01-29-2010, 08:46 AM   #244
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Point to where I said this. I stated a fact: Apple apps can multitask, therefore it has multitasking capability.

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It has multitasking. Just only Apple-approved multitasking, which, I think 4.0 software will change. Or one can hope.


Im going off what the article said, and it said no multi-tasking. The guys and gals at gizmodo are pretty well respected, and have had their hands on the product. The author of the article I linked (and pasted) said NO MULTI-TASKING. You are saying that it has Apple approved mutli-tasking, so that leads me to believe that only Apple software can multi-task.


Point to where I or anyone said that? The initial starting price is $499. There's nothing but fact there.

The iPhone is $600 if you get it without a phone plan. Hell, as far as Apple is concerned it's $600 period, cause even with the phone plan AT&T makes up the difference. Thus, doing some simple math I came to the conclusion that the iPad is less than the iPhone.



If you consider me to be a fanboi, I hate to see what you think of the people more rabid than I.

I think the utter devotion that macaphiles have to apple is insane. Same for Microsoft whack jobs. Both companys have good products, both have shitty ones. This just happens to be a shitty one.



Doesn't mean they're wrong.

I'm not saying they're wrong, I'm saying they're right.




What I am saying IS True. It's true now and has been for a long while.

And you know this how? Do you have your hands on one? This is not an iMac it will not function the same way, and from the sounds of it, should not be considered anything more than a color e-reader.


Again, not true. Plenty of apps available. Of course, multitasking is probably what you're referring to but nonetheless it's misleading.


Sorry should have put "Mac Approved Software". Which apparently, Mac doesn't approve of Flash. On top of that, those iPhone apps will run at the same size they do on the iPhone. So yeah, pretty small window on your nice new tablet. F'ing Lame.


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Actually, I thought the same thing. Until I read some articles and commentary from people who had hands on. Rick's post was pretty spot on with what I heard. You have to play with it to really have any say on it. It's screaming fast.

There really isn't a tablet market right now. There have been tablets but no one really has done anything worth while in the market. Best thing so far is Courier by MS but as always it's vaporware.

I think you underestimate the power of a large iPod Touch. It's not for me, at least right now. I'll wait for a couple revisions before buying. A) the software will mature B) Apple always increases specs and features without raising price and C) if you look at the iPod generations they got increasing features that made upgrading look good, I bet this follows suit.

It's funny cause this morning on my way to work they had the editor from http://techmeme.com/ on the morning radio show. And he was pimping the iPad. Saying that this is the future here today. But his arguments were this

1. You could leave it on your dinner table so you could read the paper or a magazine in the morning.

2. When not in use, you can prop it up and have pictures play on it, like a digital photo-frame.

3. Bonus to the Kindle over this is the EA lighting of the screen which looks more like a page than the back lighting of the iPad that looks like a computer screen.

4. Bonus of the iPad over the Kindle, is its in color, HD (720) and will be better for reading magazines such as Maxim.

5. Much like getting your iPhone wet or dirty and causing that device to wig out, the same will happen to the iPad. So maybe keeping it on the dinner table while eating is not such a good idea.

This guy who was avid about this device could not come up with any justifications on why to buy it. As I said before, this is a joke, that people will waste their time and money on.


On top of that, you are not even bothering to comment on anything else t he article said. No Flash, really? Needing adapters to connect devices to it, hell needing a special adapter to connect USB to it? F'ing Really?

On top of all that, I still stand on this

No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

If this is true, then this device fails.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:50 AM   #245
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The more I think about it, I think this could be a cool device. I'd use it as a photo frame when not in use, and when i'm ready to use it, pick it up, and it is now a magazine, a web browser, a book, a newspaper, or digital pr0n delivery device.

If it just had flash...
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:07 AM   #246
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I think you're right. I like the idea of traveling with an IPad with 3G capability, GPS etc weighing only 1.5lbs versus a typical DELL Laptop that weighs 8lbs. It makes a big difference.
You could buy a netbook for less and run any software you wanted. Muti-tasking even.
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There's the real gist of it right there...

They could have consumed much more of an initial market just by doing a few of these simple and seemingly obvious things. Most of you know how much I support Mac. But I'm very disappointed in the iPad. The biggest kicker for me is that it's running iPhone OS instead of OS X.

I didn't get why they did this either, except to take more advantage of the App market on iTunes. Which brings up a question. If I buy an app for my iPhone, will I have to buy it again for my iPad?

That's beyond stupid, and I think it's the detail that will hurt them the most in the end.

The biggest market for this type of device is school/medical/record keeping roles. On the go data entry. The iPad will not allow that group to load the software they're already using. Along with Office, or other productivity software.

This sounds like NO MULTI-TASKING to me IJH

And it will require them to take extra steps with a lot of data transfer, as opposed to just connecting a flash drive or SD card. It limits the HD space for saving things locally too. Even 64GB won't be enough in some environments.

I understand the way Apple likes to "out do" certain niche markets, and limit overall versatility to increase specialized functionality. But IMO, the opportunity to take a stranglehold to a much more broad "versatile tablet/ebook/netbook" market far outweighs that. They could have given a pile driver to Kindle, Nook, and netbook manufacturers all at once with this single nifty device. But instead they "iPhone crippled" it and priced it low to compete.

Maybe the safe move will pay off in the end, but I think most would have preferred to see the huge splash...
Pretty solid man. I agree 100%
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:16 AM   #248
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The iPhone and iPod touch haven't run Flash natively in the years since their respective debuts, and it's pretty clear based on Steve Jobs's presentation yesterday that the iPad won't run Flash, either. When scrolling through the New York Times's main page, for example, where Flash ads or video might have been there were instead broken LEGO icons, big as life on the screen at the keynote.

Predictably, Adobe isn't happy about this, and is accusing Apple of "continuing to impose restrictions on their devices that limit both content publishers and consumers." They go on to say that without Flash support, "users will not be able to access the full range of web content, including over 70% of games and 75% of video on the web."

Let's work backwards from this. First of all, I'd be very interested to see where Adobe got those percentages. Apparently YouTube now accounts for a mere 25% of video on the internet? As for Hulu and a few of the other specific sites mentioned in Adobe's rant, now that Apple is in the business of selling content, exactly how is it in the company's best interest to provide access to that same content, through another company's platform, for free? And as far as games are concerned, once again Apple has this covered, through the App Store. Far from being limited, content publishers and consumers will merely have to adjust to a new method of publishing and consuming content: one that doesn't involve Adobe in any way.

I know anecdotal data is the worst kind there is, but in nearly a year of using my iPhone to connect to the internet, not only have I not missed Flash, I've been glad it isn't there. Flash's performance on Mac OS X is so abysmal that when YouTube announced an opt-in HTML5 beta to replace Flash, I bounced up and down in my office chair in glee. I can only imagine the bag of hurt that would be introduced if Apple let Flash run on its mobile devices.

If you want to know why Flash doesn't run on the iPhone, the iPod touch, or the iPad, why Flash will never run on those devices, and why that's a really good thing, check out this piece by Daring Fireball's John Gruber. One of the key points of Gruber's argument is that Flash is, by far, the biggest source of application crashes in OS X. Flash crashes so often that Apple's engineers went out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins in Snow Leopard; in 10.6, Flash runs as its own process rather than being lumped in with Safari, meaning than when (not if) Flash crashes, it doesn't bring all of Safari down with it. Considering Flash's poor stability and fan-blasting, CPU-hogging performance on the Mac, gee, why wouldn't Apple want it running on their mobile devices?

Want to see something that "imposes restrictions on content publishers and consumers?" Look no farther than Flash itself. According to the company's own (possibly made-up) numbers, 70% of games and 75% of video on the internet is all shuffled through one company's proprietary plugin. I don't know about you, but that sounds awfully restrictive to me. It seems like a really bad idea to let a single company have that much control over the creation and delivery of the internet's content, don't you think?.

With the iPhone and iPod touch we already have tens of millions of mobile devices owned by tens of millions of highly satisfied consumers, and not one of those devices runs Flash. With the advent of the iPad, we can expect millions more mobile devices to hit the market, and none of them will run Flash, either. Thanks to YouTube and vimeo, HTML5's star is on the rise for delivering free video content on the internet, and the App Store has gaming covered. There's no telling what the internet will look like in ten years, but one thing appears certain: if things continue as they have, Adobe will no longer have the stranglehold over video and gaming content that it enjoys today.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/a...o-impose-rest/
Man... that article is a piece of shit. And I'm not sure what the deal is, but the link you provided is for a different article than the one above. And amusingly, the article from the link you posted actually criticizes Apple for this move.

Regardless, the article is a retarded rant that is full of incorrect info and hypocritical criticisms.

Let me point out a few:

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now that Apple is in the business of selling content, exactly how is it in the company's best interest to provide access to that same content, through another company's platform, for free?
Couple things wrong here. First, Flash isn't "content". It's a free product that simply helps you view more content. Second, Apple wouldn't be providing access through another company's platform. It would be allowing additional content through their own platform. There's no missed profit. Apple loses nothing by doing so. They don't sell a "Flash competitor" app that does what Flash does.

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I can only imagine the bag of hurt that would be introduced if Apple let Flash run on its mobile devices.
"Bag of hurt"? WTF? I've been running Flash on my iPhone for close to a year. Many many people have. It runs smoothly, performance has never been anything close to an issue. I've tested this on every version of the iPhone.

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Flash is, by far, the biggest source of application crashes in OS X. Flash crashes so often that Apple's engineers went out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins in Snow Leopard; in 10.6, Flash runs as its own process rather than being lumped in with Safari, meaning than when (not if) Flash crashes, it doesn't bring all of Safari down with it.
Simply not true. And Apple's engineers most certainly did not "go out of their way to create a new mechanism for running plugins" due to Flash. That change had nothing to do with Flash. They made that change because their Safari plugin support sucked overall and was miles behind other browsers in that regard. Safari is playing catch-up. And how logical is it to think that Apple "went out of their way" to redesign Safari to work better with a specific plugin that they refuse to allow on many of their devices? Yeah, makes perfect sense huh?

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Far from being limited, content publishers and consumers will merely have to adjust to a new method of publishing and consuming content: one that doesn't involve Adobe in any way.
OK, everybody else will just have to conform to Apple's method of publishing and consuming content.

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It seems like a really bad idea to let a single company have that much control over the creation and delivery of the internet's content, don't you think?.
Wait... check that, it's a bad idea to let one company control the publishing and consuming of content....

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There's no telling what the internet will look like in ten years, but one thing appears certain: if things continue as they have, Adobe will no longer have the stranglehold over video and gaming content that it enjoys today.
And yeah, we can't wait until Apple has a stranglehold over video and gaming content. Did I mention the App Store?

That's just awful.
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:17 AM   #249
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Why do people just keep mentioning ebook readers..

lol

This does exponentially more than ebook readers. I don't even know how they can compare.
Yeah, it can be a digital picture frame too
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I've been thinking about this quite a bit. I guess I'm starting to come around to the fact that the potential for the iPad doesn't lie in what we saw on Wednesday, the potential lies in the minds of the developers.

I'm starting to think the iPad will be huge because it's potential lies in the experience you'll get from the newspapers, magazines, games, etc. I think we're going to see some really cool stuff developed for this. Just gaming alone could be huge.
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I've been thinking about this quite a bit. I guess I'm starting to come around to the fact that the potential for the iPad doesn't lie in what we saw on Wednesday, the potential lies in the minds of the developers.

I'm starting to think the iPad will be huge because it's potential lies in the experience you'll get from the newspapers, magazines, games, etc. I think we're going to see some really cool stuff developed for this. Just gaming alone could be huge.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. But based on the OS that it's using, I don't see anything fantastic comming out of the gamming world for this. Sure, Majong will look fantastic, but I don't see playing Dragon Age on this device anytime in the near future.
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