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Old 03-23-2009, 09:44 PM  
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:20 PM   #3271
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Jesse is a coward and a little bitch. I can't understand why people like him.
Can anyone blame him for being angry? He doesn't even know the full of it. That Walt watched his girlfriend die and didnt stop it. That Walt pushed Jesse into uncomfortable decisions to stay in the method business and to kill 2 people, even though Jesse objected. And then of course, using the poisoning of a kid he cared about to manipulate Jesse to make a hit.

So no, I don't think it's as cowardly as you think. The beauty of the show is that they give these characters multiple layers. You root for jesse then he turns into a snitch. You root against Walt and he finally starts showing emotion over the lives he's affecting.
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:29 PM   #3272
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Can anyone blame him for being angry? He doesn't even know the full of it. That Walt watched his girlfriend die and didnt stop it.
Would've been something during Walt's panicky phone confessional to Jesse if he had let slip something along the lines of "and I'm sorry about Jane" and had Jesse go, "Wait, what did you just say, bitch?"
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:33 PM   #3273
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I think people who criticize the writers for Walt's irrational reaction last night aren't getting the full picture.. Walt is losing control, and he's grown so accustomed to it that he reacts in panic at his impending fate, pressured only moreso by the recent hotel interaction with Skyler. You can't claim that Walt is some meticulous and methodical person other the recent chase scene, because that isn't the only incident in that episode where he reacts impulsively (which is supposedly not in his character's nature.) After being Mirandized, does Walt react by remaining silent, the prudent and appropriate action? No-- he reacts by calling Jesse a coward, in front of DEA agents compiling a case against him! It was a tremendous line, not only because it bolsters the idea that Walt is losing control (emotionally and metaphorically), but also because it elicits such a disdainful reaction from the audience, who sees it as ironic coming from a POS that just recently made a cowardly fake confession accusing his brother-in-law of making him (Walt) a fall-guy for a masterful drug cartel orchestrated by the head of a DEA branch.

I just don't see how you can conveniently ignore these gaping vulnerabilities shown in Walt's character throughout the season, to bolster an argument that it's "not in his nature". I can possibly see an argument that they started to assassinate his character only in this season so that it would better suit an ending to the show, but it didn't start in the last episode; it's been setting up for a while now.
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:34 PM   #3274
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:38 PM   #3275
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I think people who criticize the writers for Walt's irrational reaction last night aren't getting the full picture.. Walt is losing control, and he's grown so accustomed to it that he reacts in panic at his impending fate, pressured only moreso by the recent hotel interaction with Skyler. You can't claim that Walt is some meticulous and methodical person other the recent chase scene, because that isn't the only incident in that episode where he reacts impulsively (which is supposedly not in his character's nature.) After being Mirandized, does Walt react by remaining silent, the prudent and appropriate action? No-- he reacts by calling Jesse a coward, in front of DEA agents compiling a case against him! It was a tremendous line, not only because it bolsters the idea that Walt is losing control (emotionally and metaphorically), but also because it elicits such a disdainful reaction from the audience, who sees it as ironic coming from a POS that just recently made a cowardly fake confession accusing his brother-in-law of making him (Walt) a fall-guy for a masterful drug cartel orchestrated by the head of a DEA branch.

I just don't see how you can conveniently ignore these gaping vulnerabilities shown in Walt's character throughout the season, to bolster an argument that it's "not in his nature". I can possibly see an argument that they started to assassinate his character only in this season so that it would better suit an ending to the show, but it didn't start in the last episode; it's been setting up for a while now.

I don't really care about Walt's reaction, I just didn't like the dialogue and all the other shit leading up to it.
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:43 PM   #3276
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I think people who criticize the writers for Walt's irrational reaction last night aren't getting the full picture.. Walt is losing control, and he's grown so accustomed to it that he reacts in panic at his impending fate, pressured only moreso by the recent hotel interaction with Skyler. You can't claim that Walt is some meticulous and methodical person other the recent chase scene, because that isn't the only incident in that episode where he reacts impulsively (which is supposedly not in his character's nature.)
I don't even think it was an irrational reaction. Hank and Jesse set up a very believable ruse and he fell for it. Walt's problem was that he trusted Jesse too much. He just thought it would be impossible that he would join up with Hank. That was his blind spot--he just never considered that it could happen.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:09 PM   #3277
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I was just hoping that after Jesse walked off from the meet up he was supposed to have with Walt, he would take him down alone, I still don't like him teaming up with Hank to arrest Walt.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:09 PM   #3278
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:10 PM   #3279
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I was just hoping that after Jesse walked off from the meet up he was supposed to have with Walt, he would take him down alone, I still don't like him teaming up with Hank to arrest Walt.
You should be happy then that it looks like that's not going to happen.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:14 PM   #3280
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Can anyone blame him for being angry? He doesn't even know the full of it. That Walt watched his girlfriend die and didnt stop it. That Walt pushed Jesse into uncomfortable decisions to stay in the method business and to kill 2 people, even though Jesse objected. And then of course, using the poisoning of a kid he cared about to manipulate Jesse to make a hit.

So no, I don't think it's as cowardly as you think. The beauty of the show is that they give these characters multiple layers. You root for jesse then he turns into a snitch. You root against Walt and he finally starts showing emotion over the lives he's affecting.
Yeah I absolutely can blame him for being angry. Jesse is financially set for life for essentially providing zero value over the course of a year. Walt was the brains behind the operation and Jesse was worthless, yet Walt agreed to split the cash 50/50. Jesse is a multi-millionaire all because of Walt. The guy was a dumbass heading straight to loserville, but he could go spend the rest of his life on a beach in Fiji if he wanted to - all thanks to Walt.

Oh boo hoo, Walt didn't help Jesse's junkie girlfriend when she OD'd. If Jesse had even a shred of intelligence, he would realize that Walt probably saved his life there because Jesse was heading down the same path.

Jesse used to at least provide some comedic relief, but the guy is just pathetic now. Walt is the only person in Jesse's life that gave a damn whether he lived or died, and this is how he repays him?
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:27 PM   #3281
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:44 PM   #3282
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:53 PM   #3283
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Hank and Gomez die.
Todd's uncle tries to force Walt to cook for him because of who he killed.
Walt refuses and goes into hiding (I assume with his family).
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Yeah I absolutely can blame him for being angry. Jesse is financially set for life for essentially providing zero value over the course of a year. Walt was the brains behind the operation and Jesse was worthless, yet Walt agreed to split the cash 50/50. Jesse is a multi-millionaire all because of Walt. The guy was a dumbass heading straight to loserville, but he could go spend the rest of his life on a beach in Fiji if he wanted to - all thanks to Walt.
It's not all about money guy. If you found out the money you made was making people kill children and poison them, I think you'd have a hard time being happy with it also.
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Old 09-09-2013, 04:07 PM   #3285
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I kept expecting Hank to have a bullet come through his head while he was on the phone with Marie, very tense.

The way it ended was disappointing because nobody got shot. There were too many bullets for that. Also Todd didn't look very convincing firing that pistol.
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