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Old 11-05-2008, 11:34 AM  
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John Kerry: Secretary of State?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...yJQ&refer=home

"Massachusetts Senator John Kerry is lobbying for secretary of State, although Obama has been cautioned that would be received negatively by many Republicans."

What do you think about this? I remember Kerry's "passing the global test" line from the debates. I wonder if Obama subscribes to the same test.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:27 PM   #121
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So, he refused further service the instant that they told him the mission would change, then?
Where do you get this refuse service crap? He had no option to refuse service. What do you not get? That is why he got the 3 purps and a stateside home. Cause he knew he was where he didn't want to be.


Little info, you don't just decide you don't want to do things anymore because your unit's orders changed. If that were the case no one would of fought in the war.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:28 PM   #122
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No, like I said, he served for about three months.
So he did continue volunteering then on the swift boat in the delta duty?
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:30 PM   #123
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Where do you get this refuse service crap? He had no option to refuse service. What do you not get? That is why he got the 3 purps and a stateside home. Cause he knew he was where he didn't want to be.


Little info, you don't just decide you don't want to do things anymore because your unit's orders changed. If that were the case no one would of fought in the war.

Little info here: Donger and I are having a linguistic argument. You don't seem to understand it. I suggest you return to some thread where you wring your hands about some other perceived slight or announce your fraudulent pretensions of bipartisanship.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:36 PM   #124
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Little info here: Donger and I are having a linguistic argument. You don't seem to understand it. I suggest you return to some thread where you wring your hands about some other perceived slight or announce your fraudulent pretensions of bipartisanship.


Rigghhhhtttt....he answered your question and you are resorting to bs
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:43 PM   #125
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Rigghhhhtttt....he answered your question and you are resorting to bs
Like I said.

Donger claimed that Kerry "lied" about this, there's plenty of room to question that allegation, as I've shown. That's really what we were arguing about, though I don't think any of your ranting really touched on the argument we were having.

It's like every post that you make, you have to stop typing just for a second so you can breathe into your brown paper bag again, and then you return to typing. You might want to take a second to actually read and try to understand what was posted.

It's one thing to pull this crap in sh***y Royals threads, but geez.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:48 PM   #126
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Like I said.

Donger claimed that Kerry "lied" about this, there's plenty of room to question that allegation, as I've shown. That's really what we were arguing about, though I don't think any of your ranting really touched on the argument we were having.

It's like every post that you make, you have to stop typing just for a second so you can breathe into your brown paper bag again, and then you return to typing. You might want to take a second to actually read and try to understand what was posted.

It's one thing to pull this crap in sh***y Royals threads, but geez.
right, bla bla bla...he answered my question so I will insult your threads, bla bla bla

I got ya.....
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:52 PM   #127
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right, bla bla bla...he answered my question so I will insult your threads, bla bla bla

I got ya.....
I answered your question and insulted you at the same time. It's called multi-tasking.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:03 PM   #128
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So he did continue volunteering then on the swift boat in the delta duty?
At that point, he was under orders. As the quote I provided shows, "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."
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Regardless of his intentions when volunteering, don't you think it's fair to say that the swift boats did qualify as one of the most dangerous assignments of the war?
Yes, but that's not what Kerry signed up for, which how this discussion got started.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:05 PM   #130
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At that point, he was under orders. As the quote I provided shows, "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."
And he was under orders because he had volunteered, right?
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:06 PM   #131
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And he was under orders because he had volunteered, right?
He volunteered for Swift boats, yes, thinking when he volunteered that their mission wouldn't change. He would have been under orders even if they had not.
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He volunteered for Swift boats, yes, thinking when he volunteered that their mission wouldn't change. He would have been under orders even if they had not.
I didn't see the part where he believed that their mission would not change. Perhaps you could point that part out?
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I didn't see the part where he believed that their mission would not change. Perhaps you could point that part out?
Sure.

"When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."
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Sure.

"When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."
So, in summary, he volunteered serve on a swift boat, and as a consequence of that volunteering, he wound up in the river delta, which objectively was one of the more dangerous assignments in the war.

Yeah, it sounds like he's a regular Richard Nixon here.
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