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Old 11-05-2008, 12:34 PM  
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John Kerry: Secretary of State?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...yJQ&refer=home

"Massachusetts Senator John Kerry is lobbying for secretary of State, although Obama has been cautioned that would be received negatively by many Republicans."

What do you think about this? I remember Kerry's "passing the global test" line from the debates. I wonder if Obama subscribes to the same test.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:12 PM   #106
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I'll take that as a "no, I bought everything those swift boat bastards could funnel down my throat as fast as it would go." Thanks.
Look up "Kerry" and "walking wounded."
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:13 PM   #107
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I'll take that as a "no, I bought everything those swift boat bastards could funnel down my throat as fast as it would go." Thanks.
whatever makes you feel smart about it.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:13 PM   #108
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First, could you delineate what you consider pragmatic v whacko?
Second, could you give some info that led you to this conclusion?

Last thing I saw was him running point on one of his nieces pet project documentaries pressuring to shut down Indian Point, even though it's a well run facility, because it's too close to Manhattan.

I'll even do him the courtesy of letting him lay out a few of his aspirations in his own terms. http://www.riverkeeper.org/campaign.php

He's already a step beyond 'clean coal or bankruptcy' to 'no coal, no more, no how, no such thing as clean coal.' The one energy resource we have an advantage in.

So, no coal, no nuclear, stop using oil. I see a lot of pain in the offing.
That sounds good to me. I'm pretty sure we don't need energy anyway.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:15 PM   #109
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Look up "Kerry" and "walking wounded."
Don't waste your breath. He knows the story. He is just playing this stupid game.


He knows for a fact I got something from whoever, the swifties or whatever, but he wants us to take a long-reaching assumption that Kerry knew the SWIFT boats were going to go into combat as some sort of fact.

Regardless of the link you gave him.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:15 PM   #110
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whatever makes you feel smart about it.
I don't know what else I should do to accomodate your insecurities.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:16 PM   #111
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Do you know what a delta is?
Yes, I grew up very near a major one.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:19 PM   #112
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Don't waste your breath. He knows the story. He is just playing this stupid game.


He knows for a fact I got something from whoever, the swifties or whatever, but he wants us to take a long-reaching assumption that Kerry knew the SWIFT boats were going to go into combat as some sort of fact.

Regardless of the link you gave him.
As you have probably never been in an argument with Donger before, I will let the irony of this statement stand on its own.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:20 PM   #113
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Yes, I grew up very near a major one.
Good. So, since Kerry volunteered for Swift boats when they were involved only in coastal patrol (by Kerry's admission - provided to you), he's lying when he claims he "volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat in the river deltas."

He ended up in the delta because the mission changed after he volunteered.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:21 PM   #114
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Good. So, since Kerry volunteered for Swift boats when they were involved only in coastal patrol (by Kerry's admission - provided to you), he's lying when he claims he "volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat in the river deltas."

He ended up in the delta because the mission changed after he volunteered.
So, you're saying when the mission changed that Kerry refused to continue serving on the boats?
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So, you're saying when the mission changed that Kerry refused to continue serving on the boats?
He had no choice by then. He was already assigned to the unit.

WTF do you come up with these stupid, land of make believe questions?

Are you telling me you think that because he had already been assigned to the SWIFTS when the tactics changed he could of just said he didn't want to do it anymore? Seriously?
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:23 PM   #116
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So, you're saying when the mission changed that Kerry refused to continue serving on the boats?
No, he served for a little over three months, met the three times wounded requirement and immediately requested a transfer state-side.

Nothing wrong with using the regulations to one's advantage, mind you.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:24 PM   #117
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He had no choice by then. He was already assigned to the unit.

WTF do you come up with these stupid, land of make believe questions?

Are you telling me you think that because he had already been assigned to the SWIFTS when the tactics changed he could of just said he didn't want to do it anymore? Seriously?
It's not a make believe question. It's an actual question. I asked it. I actually did. In reality.
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No, he served for a little over three months, met the three times wounded requirement and immediately requested a transfer state-side.

Nothing wrong with using the regulations to one's advantage, mind you.
So, he refused further service the instant that they told him the mission would change, then?
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So, he refused further service the instant that they told him the mission would change, then?
No, like I said, he served for about three months.
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"On his second tour, he volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat in the river deltas, one of the most dangerous assignments of the war."

Regardless of his intentions when volunteering, don't you think it's fair to say that the swift boats did qualify as one of the most dangerous assignments of the war?
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