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Old 10-05-2008, 08:31 AM  
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The flawed logic of Mizzou fans

You say tradition doesn't matter, yet you're so excited about ending your 30-year losing streak in Lincoln.

You say Bo Pelini sucks, yet Gary Pinkel was 9-14 during his first two seasons at Mizzou. Many Mizzou fans wanted him fired.

Something doesn't add up.

I'm not crying in my beer over Nebraska's loss last night. I told you how the game would unfold. I don't feel your pain. You can't get it all back in two years.

Tradition is the reason you're so excited. You want what Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma have. You are getting a small taste of it. A national title and a Heisman this season would only be one step. You must sustain similar success over decades.

I think Kansas State and Colorado have more tradition than Mizzou. K-State recently won a conference title. Colorado has a national title and a Heisman.

Pelini will need several seasons to turn around the program - just like Gary Pinkel and Mark Mangino needed. Nebraska has no talent on either side of the ball. The defense isn't fast enough to blitz effectively. The offense is overrated, and the play calling sucks. I hate some of their pass plays.

It's a process. Instant gratification wasn't going to happen. You know that from your own experience.

Last year's Huskers gave up and made tons of mistakes. This year's Huskers make mistakes because they're too aggressive. I'll take the aggression.

Callahan never would've apologized to the state like Pelini did last night.

Think about the things I have mentioned here.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:09 PM   #181
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Ignorant post, but I'm sure that what you were going for.

1. All the great players you mentioned were 3 star recruits or less except for Maclin. Daniel was a 3 star, Weatherspoon was a 2 star, Moore was a 2 star, Coffman was a 3, Ziggy was a 3.

2. Thus, it's obvious that this coaching staff is highly adept at coaching up players and finding the diamonds in the rough that fit their style of play. If something happens once or twice you can say it's an aberration, but at this point it's a trend that Pinkel & co. will continue to find athletic, under the radar 2 and 3 star players that will be great in this system.

Now that we're getting looks at commitments from elite 4 and 5 star players, the future looks even brighter. Understandably we'll fall off next year due to losing so much top-shelf talent, but the program will be fine.

Might want to do more research before attempting to sound intelligent when talking college football.
A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.

You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:10 PM   #182
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MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation.

They're simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
The MU football program hasn't been in better hands with Pinkel at the helm since Dan Devine roamed the sidelines at Mizzou.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:13 PM   #183
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A Trend?!?!? MU has been good for 1 year. BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.
No you buffoon, they were both 3 stars.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewpros...1&pr_key=27095

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewpros...1&pr_key=26802

And yes, there is a trend of developing 2 and 3 star recruits into outstanding, All-Big 12-type players. Do some research and you will see that the majority of our best players were not elite recruits.

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You can have all the 2-3 star players you want......but when it comes down to it we are gonna get beat by schools like Texas and Oklahoma.
Good comeback. Way to use a lot of compelling evidence.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:13 PM   #184
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BTW Chase and Coffman both were 4 stars.
Chase: http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73...=1&nid=1166259

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Old 10-06-2008, 12:26 PM   #185
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Amazing the development, 3 star, 2 star and 3 star....probably 3 of our best players and Moore is a definite 1st rounder
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:26 PM   #186
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The point is the best players go to the best programs......MU isn't one of those.....no on here can argue that. Until that happens they won't be known as a football school.

Same with basketball. You see most McD's kids go to Duke , UNC, KU, UCLA, Kentucky and so on......guess what......they are always in the hunt the for the national title year in and year out. It's not hard to figure out.

MU is losing a lot after this season. People underestimate how great Chase Daniel is with this offense. after he's gone the most important position in this offense goes to someone with less experience......Good luck.

But this whole argument is about MU wanting to have what OU TX and NEB have. Those are football programs. NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent. MUs had a nice little run of a couple years being a great team and fun as shit to watch on offense.

But after this season and unlike teams like TX and OU that can just reload, MU will have some years where they win 7 games.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:27 PM   #187
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Definetly admit this is Mizzou's year to go for a National Title after that success will be there, but it may take time to build a national contender again. Chase is probably one of those once in a long while QB's honestly, he'll be a mizzou legend when its over.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:30 PM   #188
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NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent.
Seriously?
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Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.
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The point is the best players go to the best programs......MU isn't one of those.....no on here can argue that. Until that happens they won't be known as a football school.

Same with basketball. You see most McD's kids go to Duke , UNC, KU, UCLA, Kentucky and so on......guess what......they are always in the hunt the for the national title year in and year out. It's not hard to figure out.

MU is losing a lot after this season. People underestimate how great Chase Daniel is with this offense. after he's gone the most important position in this offense goes to someone with less experience......Good luck.

But this whole argument is about MU wanting to have what OU TX and NEB have. Those are football programs. NEB has been having down seasons recently but they still get cream of the crop talent. MUs had a nice little run of a couple years being a great team and fun as shit to watch on offense.

But after this season and unlike teams like TX and OU that can just reload, MU will have some years where they win 7 games.
You're kind of a clown to put Nebraska in that mix.... they can't go and out-recruit Mizzou in Texas, they can't out-recruit OU in Texas, they can't out-recruit USC, OU, Texas in California... Nebraska will be down for quite some time.
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Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.
Did you watch the game on Saturday?
You think that Nebraska team has more talent on it than Mizzou?
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Bet NEB has more talent in the NFL since Pinkel has been HC for MU.
Mizzou is going to probably have 3 or 4 1st round picks this year. Pinkel came to Mizzou when we were down, but it's obvious to most competent observers that the program has done a 180.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:50 PM   #193
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Mizzou is going to probably have 3 or 4 1st round picks this year. Pinkel came to Mizzou when we were down, but it's obvious to most competent observers that the program has done a 180.
Bullshit

Tell me you think Chase Daniel is a 1st rounder........PLEASE tell me you think that!!!
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You sound as bitter as Sam. The thing Pinkel has going for him is that he actually makes an effort to get his freshmen in the game, especially during a rout. I think young kids will see this and want to play for a coach with that mentality.

Exactly. Pinkle, and the relationships that he delevopes with the players makes for a much better team. The week that camp started a frehman DE from Raytown got a phone call from the NCAA Clearinghouse saying that he was under investigation about 1 trimester of math missing from his freshman year of high school. Had he known, he would have retaken it but since he had already taken college courses over the summer it was not possible to retake the trimester.

This was the first week of camp with an issue regarding an 18 DE that was going to be redshirted. Pinkle called his father and sent 2 letters to the clearinghouse that were not required, (a bunch if legal work was done in the back ground). He ended up being waived and got to rejoin practice after a week, but the point is that Pinkle went the extra mile. The sports community is much smaller than you think, and those little acts will go a long way.
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Bullshit

Tell me you think Chase Daniel is a 1st rounder........PLEASE tell me you think that!!!
Daniel>Ganz or anything Nebraska shits out

If Chase was 6'2" he'd probable be up there
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