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Old 10-05-2008, 08:31 AM  
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The flawed logic of Mizzou fans

You say tradition doesn't matter, yet you're so excited about ending your 30-year losing streak in Lincoln.

You say Bo Pelini sucks, yet Gary Pinkel was 9-14 during his first two seasons at Mizzou. Many Mizzou fans wanted him fired.

Something doesn't add up.

I'm not crying in my beer over Nebraska's loss last night. I told you how the game would unfold. I don't feel your pain. You can't get it all back in two years.

Tradition is the reason you're so excited. You want what Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma have. You are getting a small taste of it. A national title and a Heisman this season would only be one step. You must sustain similar success over decades.

I think Kansas State and Colorado have more tradition than Mizzou. K-State recently won a conference title. Colorado has a national title and a Heisman.

Pelini will need several seasons to turn around the program - just like Gary Pinkel and Mark Mangino needed. Nebraska has no talent on either side of the ball. The defense isn't fast enough to blitz effectively. The offense is overrated, and the play calling sucks. I hate some of their pass plays.

It's a process. Instant gratification wasn't going to happen. You know that from your own experience.

Last year's Huskers gave up and made tons of mistakes. This year's Huskers make mistakes because they're too aggressive. I'll take the aggression.

Callahan never would've apologized to the state like Pelini did last night.

Think about the things I have mentioned here.
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:35 AM   #166
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Mizzou fans trying to rip Nebraska's historical success just goes to show how little they know.
Nobody is ripping "Nebraska's historical success". You're getting ripped for trying to put Nebraska in some sort of superior light in the wake of their drubbing at Missouri's hands. You have a huge case of denial about the state of your team right now.
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:38 AM   #167
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This season won't mean anything if OU beats you.
And I am perfectly aware that there is an excellent chance OU beats Mizzou in the title game (Stoops just has Pinkel's number), and this season is still going to mean a ton for Mizzou fans. Having two possible Heisman contenders and having a chance at a BCS bowl will do that.
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:18 AM   #168
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:48 AM   #169
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Mizzou fans care so much about the past successes of defeated rivals that NOBODY is even talking about the game on campus. It is over. We won. Nebraska was great at times in the past, but in the present they suck. Recruiting is going to get hard for them and it could get very ugly before it gets better.
Mizzou has a 30 year gap in success. We celebrate our tradition of losing by being absolutely ****ing tickled pink by winning all the damn time, and by huge margins. Lets hope we can keep it up and begin a new era in the tradition of the Missouri Tigers. I hope the big red can rebound so that our future meetings are more exciting and worthwhile.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:15 AM   #170
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I agree. Mizzou needs to concentrate on OSU. That'll be a much tougher game. They better focus or it could be trouble.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:20 AM   #171
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Mizzou fans care so much about the past successes of defeated rivals that NOBODY is even talking about the game on campus. It is over. We won. Nebraska was great at times in the past, but in the present they suck. Recruiting is going to get hard for them and it could get very ugly before it gets better.
Mizzou has a 30 year gap in success. We celebrate our tradition of losing by being absolutely f***ing tickled pink by winning all the damn time, and by huge margins. Lets hope we can keep it up and begin a new era in the tradition of the Missouri Tigers. I hope the big red can rebound so that our future meetings are more exciting and worthwhile.
MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:28 AM   #172
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MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
You sound as bitter as Sam. The thing Pinkel has going for him is that he actually makes an effort to get his freshmen in the game, especially during a rout. I think young kids will see this and want to play for a coach with that mentality.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:30 AM   #173
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MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.
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Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.
All that said, yeah, we're boom or bust this year.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:52 AM   #176
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Mediocrity? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think 8-4 next year is the benchmark and 9-3 certainly isn't out of the question. The O-Line will be very good, D-Wash et al. will be excellent, and Denario, Perry, Jones, Jackson, Kemp, etc. will be fine (and that's assuming Maclin goes pro). Gabbert won't play like Daniel, but he won't have to.

The defense is where things get interesting. Losing Moore, Christopher and Hood will be big. Losing Garrett and Bridges won't matter much. If Spoon stays, he and Lambert will be fine as LBs. Gachkar would be the third when one is needed. Replacing Sulak and Chavis could be difficult as well. Current true freshman Jacques Smith will start on one side and I'd imagine Coulter will start on the other. Kenji Jackson will man one safety spot with Howard or Ricks at the other spot.

Given our schedule next year, I think MU will be fine.
Gone is the great field position Maclin provided for MU that and some TD's.

Gabbert WILL have to play like Daniel in order for this kinda offense to be as effective, especially if the defense will take a step back like I expect.

Gone is Coffman.......HUUUUGE loss, though the other TE is going to be good someday....just not next year.

Spoon won't stay.....he'll be a first day pick.

Not to mention that Dave Christenson (MU off coord) will at some point in the next 2 years will get a HC offer. You can almost assure that.

I'm not being bitter.....I'm just trying to look at reality and look at what MU will be missing. I'm just saying that Pinkel has a long ways to go before kids will start recognizing MU as a school to play football at. But MU is a great team, top 5 is well deserving of this team. I think MU would smoke anyone in the God forsaken SEC.

Most powerhouse programs reload, not rebuild. MU is still that rebuilding stage in it's program and will be a while before they can start reloading, it will take lots of consistent success and conference titles.
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All that said, yeah, we're boom or bust this year.
Sure, and we certainly have opportunities for bust. OSU, Texas, OU in the title game will all give MU all they want.

Back on topic of Nebraska, I still can't figure out what their fans are thinking. Before the season, many on their boards were predicting a 10-2 or 9-3 record, which is still theoretically possible. However, I don't see that team doing anything near that. Most believed that Bo would bring intensity and fire to the defense which would improve them to a top 25-30 defense (it was noted that the talent was there; they just needed the brilliant coaching). If you saw the game on Saturday, you know that isn't happening with that group. Heck, there were many Husker fans predicting a win over MU due to some super-secret defensive scheme that had them and their coaches giddy. The 3-3-5 was tried by Arkansas last year and equaled fail. Glass-half-full is great, but some of this was just nuts.
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MU isnt big enough of a program to consistently lure in the best talent in the nation. Top 100 rivals players go to schools like OU TX USC ND OSU MICH FSU FLA MIA PENNST WISC and so on.

After Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, Hood, Weatherspoon, Moore leave, MU fball will go back to mediocrity. Pinkel was lucky enough to taylor made an offense that is explosive and to have a QB thats good enough and knows it just as good as the coaches do.

If MU is going to make a run at the NC, they MUST do it this year......because if not, they won't for a very long time. Theyre simply not a big enough of a program that players will recognize and wanna come to. That's Pinkels next biggest obstacle.
Ignorant post, but I'm sure that what you were going for.

1. All the great players you mentioned were 3 star recruits or less except for Maclin. Daniel was a 3 star, Weatherspoon was a 2 star, Moore was a 2 star, Coffman was a 3, Ziggy was a 3.

2. Thus, it's obvious that this coaching staff is highly adept at coaching up players and finding the diamonds in the rough that fit their style of play. If something happens once or twice you can say it's an aberration, but at this point it's a trend that Pinkel & co. will continue to find athletic, under the radar 2 and 3 star players that will be great in this system.

Now that we're getting looks at commitments from elite 4 and 5 star players, the future looks even brighter. Understandably we'll fall off next year due to losing so much top-shelf talent, but the program will be fine.

Might want to do more research before attempting to sound intelligent when talking college football.
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The traditional powerhouses never leave the spotlight, win or lose.
Here are some examples that disprove your contention:

1960's:
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I know Nebraska has had tradition since Bob Devaney took over the program in 1962 followed by Tom Osborne...what were they before that? Do you guys realize that if Osborne hadn't taken over the program that you guys would be just like Kansas State is now? Scary huh?
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