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Old 07-20-2017, 12:33 PM  
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Chester Bennington commits suicide

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Old 07-20-2017, 07:13 PM   #106
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Say what you want about religion but I'm still here because I was scared to face the man.

Faith saved my life years ago.

He has made his existence known to me on more than one occasion, so it wasn't a what if type of deal.

You take your life, you are going to answer for it.
You aren't the only one who's been there.
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:30 PM   #107
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Say what you want about religion but I'm still here because I was scared to face the man.

Faith saved my life years ago.

He has made his existence known to me on more than one occasion, so it wasn't a what if type of deal.

You take your life, you are going to answer for it.
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Absolutely. I think the Catholic Church's teaching on mortal sins has saved many many lives.
There is only one unforgivable sin. By the time you die if you never have truly accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, than this is the one unforgivable sin. Jesus said He is the way, the truth and the life and no man comes unto the Father but through Jesus himself. Jesus didn't say "a way" or "some way" or "a truth" or "some truth" or "a life" or "some life" as if there are other spiritual options to heaven apart from Jesus.

Many millions if not billions "think" they "know" Jesus but in reality only "know about" Jesus never truly making Him their personal Lord and Savior while they still live for "self" and buying the lie from Hell that they are good enough and will be their own lawyer on judgement day and then God will just let them in on their own merits apart from Jesus because they think they are good enough.

Nothing could be further from the truth. In Romans 3:23-24 it say's

23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.

Either God sees Jesus truly living in your heart at the time of death thus making you perfect and holy in the eyes of God or it is hello to Hades. Jesus was and is the only perfect holy sacrifice that God will accept. God will not accept you apart from Christ on your own merits because God cannot be in the presence of sin and when you present yourself apart from Christ you are sin that he must reject.

However, when your heart is sincere and truly repentant and you have realized your need for a Savior making Jesus Lord of your life asking Him to come into your life then it is Jesus that God will see living in your heart that will make you acceptable to the Father. Many, many people sit in church pews of every denomination of Christianity who "think" they "know" Jesus and are saved and "think" they are genuine Christians but in reality are really not. Many can live a life that mimicks Christian values and ideals but doesn't mean they have given their heart thus their life over to Jesus. Here are some sobering words from Jesus(who is God) in Matt 7:13-14- telling us that the majority of people will end up in Hell. Not my words but Jesus's words. Pay particular attention to the bold.

Matt 7:13-14 -The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Suicide is forgivable. Let's just hope that Chris and Chester really "knew Jesus" as opposed to just "knew about" Jesus.

And what about you ? You relying on your own merits "thinking" you are a good enough dude "thinking" you really "know Jesus" but in reality only really "know about" Jesus?
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:38 PM   #108
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I think it depends CS.

There's a difference between someone that's had depression for many years vs. someone who snaps one day and offs themself.

I think the former would be a rejection of salvation
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Old 07-20-2017, 07:41 PM   #109
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Salvation knows no specific rules. There are far too many variables involved.. and NO higher power would overlook a single one of them, when determining the future of a single soul.

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Old 07-20-2017, 08:05 PM   #110
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I think it depends CS.

There's a difference between someone that's had depression for many years vs. someone who snaps one day and offs themself.

I think the former would be a rejection of salvation

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Salvation knows no specific rules. There are far too many variables involved.. and NO higher power would overlook a single one of them, when determining the future of a single soul.

I will respectfully disagree with both of you. Whether impulsive or planned, suicide IS forgivable IF they really "knew Jesus". There is no sin that is unforgivable except the rejection of Christ at the end of your life. Salvation DOES have a specific rule and this is Jesus truly living in the heart of each individual at the time of death.

Sandy you are correct that there are many variables as God say's in I Samuel 16:6 -

7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”


But there again the Lord is looking at the heart to see who lives and rules in the heart of man.Is it man ruling himself or has he allowed Jesus to rule his heart ?
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:14 PM   #111
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Salvation knows no specific rules.
....please be more specific.

and to your earlier response, the closer relationship you have with Christ, the propensity to take your life significantly diminishes. We call it suicide, but it's self murder.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:15 PM   #112
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and this alone will be the part I point to, CS.

"but the Lord looks at the heart.”

So hand me a thought to a hypothetical. Man named Joe. Lives a boring, considerate life. Never focused a bit on religion or matters out of sight. Cares about things around him.

Wife of 40 years... two children.. all slaughtered to death by an intruding killer.

Joe has no one and nothing else in this world that matters anywhere near what they did. Joe gets really sad, and puts a bullet through the roof of his mouth a week later.

You going to tell me or anyone else that a higher power won't take him in?
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:19 PM   #113
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and this alone will be the part I point to, CS.

"but the Lord looks at the heart.”

So hand me a thought to a hypothetical. Man named Joe. Lives a boring, considerate life. Never focused a bit on religion or matters out of sight. Cares about things around him.

Wife of 40 years... two children.. all slaughtered to death by an intruding killer.

Joe has no one and nothing else in this world that matters anywhere near what they did. Joe gets really sad, and puts a bullet through the roof of his mouth a week later.

You going to tell me or anyone else that a higher power won't take him in?
"....pick up your cross, and follow me."
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:22 PM   #114
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"....pick up your cross, and follow me."
not in the mood for interpretation... spit it out. Say. what. you. mean.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:23 PM   #115
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did this really have to devolve into a religious thread?

RIP Chester....not even a fan but it's sad to see some assholes who didn't even know you calling you selfish and saying you are going to hell...
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:24 PM   #116
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While true, still an asshole move.

When Chris Cornell died i posted something i had read regarding suicide that really put shit into perspective.

When you take your life you're ruining every one else's.
This is the problem. Studying social psychology we really honed into suicide, and how it, on the surface, appears to be a selfish motivation. Generally speaking, and in most cases, you'll find that it is, in fact, the surrounding environment and their inabilities to support or care for the ones they love that drive a person to these choices.

The world is less without that man present. RIP.
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not in the mood for interpretation... spit it out. Say. what. you. mean.
Those are Christ's words.

We all have crosses to bear. There are a tremendous amount of people out there who endure extreme physical and emotional pain, yet their faith is strong.

It boils down to hope, or the lack thereof.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:28 PM   #118
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Those are Christ's words.

We all have crosses to bear. There are a tremendous amount of people out there who endure extreme physical and emotional pain, yet their faith is strong.

It boils down to hope, or the lack thereof.
In THIS hypothetical's case... THIS man did not really regard religion.

Yet you suggest to me that he is shit outta luck?

I'll wait for clarification, before I tell you to seriously give far more thought to your position on this.
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did this really have to devolve into a religious thread?

RIP Chester....not even a fan but it's sad to see some assholes who didn't even know you calling you selfish and saying you are going to hell...
Lotta people said that about Fred Phelps.

Maybe folks who didn't know him shouldn't judge him. Eh?
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