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Old 03-16-2017, 10:59 AM  
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Trumps Budget, setting a direction

The Trump Business man shows in his Budget proposals. For sure he knows he wont get all he wants but he also knows that establishing that expectation will get him big gains in the final measure.

Cutting the UN is a winner with voters, Cutting the EPA and brining them back into focus on real world environmental protection is a must.

Slashing the Arts and PBS? Not so h=good in my estimation but we enjoy PBS and are long term contributors.

But bottom line is, He will accomplish a bunch by cutting fat department by department and moving things back to the states to do and reduce Washingtons overhead.



The new White House budget proposal, a wish list of President Donald Trump’s policies, would cut funding to several arts and grants programs that Republicans have decried for decades.

Trump’s 2018 budget, called “America First: A Budget Blueprint to Make America Great Again,” requests increases in defense spending and reduction of domestic programs.

Specifically, the budget “proposes to eliminate funding for other independent agencies,” including the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH), and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which sends some amount of funding to PBS and National Public Radio.

Though Big Bird only re-airs on PBS (“Sesame Street” is now on HBO), eliminating funding to things like the NEA Corporation for Public Broadcasting is not a new idea. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested cutting the CPB during the 2012 presidential campaign, and was quickly criticized. Former President Barack Obama even accused Romney of trying to kill Big Bird in a campaign ad.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:27 PM   #76
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While I'm not in favor of troops in Syria at all, as I believe that place is a lost cause, same for Yemen... but I also believe that if the US doesnt reassert itself in the broader ME, we risk being sidelined altogether

No, "reasserting" doesnt have to mean "controlling or dominating" them... but China, Iran and Russia are all over the place in the ME right now throwing their weight around

There is just simply no way that a truly isolationist policy is good for this nation, we absolutely have to stay engaged in many instances

If not, our own and others prosperity will be severely threatened

Shutting down all of our bases and withdrawing, as some have suggested, would be a total ****ing disaster for the US

If people think we're some kind of evil, hegemonic power... just wait until China, Iran and Russia are running the show
There is a thread for this. If you want to talk about Trump's military budget and how fighting such wars are part of leading us into bankruptcy. I'm game.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:49 PM   #77
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Notice how the Berlin Wall came down after Reagan talked with the Russians instead of advancing a regime change strike?

Diplomacy.


Of course Russia was a financial basket-case which our CIA completely missed.
See? We agree on some things. And as this moronic administration blusters it's way through our allies, do you think it enhances our standing in the world*?


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Old 03-17-2017, 04:54 PM   #78
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See? We agree on some things. And as this moronic administration blusters it's way through our allies, do you think it enhances our standing in the world*?


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I don't care what the world thinks of our leader or our politics for that matter.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:01 PM   #79
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I don't care what the world thinks of our leader or our politics for that matter.
Whether you care about it or not, it's important. It's a crucial part of diplomacy. Especially when it comes to our allies.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:04 PM   #80
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I wouldn't mind them staying separate if North and South could normalize relations and it wasn't just a China puppet there. Perhaps we leverage the One China policy with a One Korea policy? Lot of variables there.
Thats really the only option short of global disaster IMO

We do China the favor of taking him out thereby letting them save face, then let them pretty much take charge of the north with strict concessions gained on freedom of travel for divided families, human rights etc
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:49 PM   #81
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I am disappointed hcf didn't take my bait. I was for sure he would call me all kinds of names for talking about killing his welfare..err I mean subsidies. Darn it.
In jest, but you might be surprised how many within the industry are open to decreasing subsidies. If you throw cuts to the other side of the program into the conversation, even more would get on board. You'll have one hell of a time getting some of the corporate entities to even discuss the topic though.

On the other hand, if you give a farmer a dollar he'll spend at least two.
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:44 PM   #82
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I'm completely fine with axing money for PBS and the arts. The federal government shouldn't be in those areas anyway, IMHO. PBS only gets like 8% of its budget from the federal government anyway, IIRC, and it's a rallying cry for the right, so whatever, ditch it.

AND BESIDES WE'RE TWENTY TRILLION ****ING DOLLARS IN DEBT. CUT SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE!

Slicing 30% off the Department of State seems a bit silly to me. I imagine there is bloating in there, but I'd like to think the State Department helps ameliorate problems and advance our interests worldwide. That isn't something the states can do, and is important to American interests everywhere.

The massive increase to military spending is completely ridiculous, and undercuts all the gains from the cuts elsewhere. TERRIFIC. Not.
Trump 'Budget' Is Nothing More Than A Campaign Press Release.

Donald Trump played us. Again.

The "budget" released this morning by the Office of Management and Budget is not a "budget;" it's just a Trump campaign press release masquerading as a government document.

Trump's so-called "skinny" budget includes proposals for just one-third of all federal spending, doesn’t mention revenues, doesn’t include any forecasts about the economy and doesn’t include a summary table showing what the federal deficit and debt will be because of his proposals.

To say the least, it's fiscally incomplete.

It's also politically incompetent.

Because of the Trump administration's habit of leaking proposals before they're formally released, we already know that the most controversial proposed spending reductions in the plan are unacceptable to congressional Republicans. The Trump document (I absolutely refuse to refer to it as a "budget"; you should too) was called "dead on arrival" weeks ago not by House or Senate Democrats but by a GOP senator.


Like many of the other plans that have come from the Trump White House since Inauguration Day, this document was released prematurely and is anything but well-conceived. Also just like many of the other Trump efforts and initiatives (think about the now multiple travel bans and Obama's alleged wiretapping, for example), this too will have to be walked back and revised in the not-too-distant future.

The document released this morning is just the latest example of Trump's refusal to follow the rules, laws and precedents that have guided all of his recent predecessors. As this wonderful table prepared by federal budget wiz Richard Kogan of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities shows quite clearly, Trump is the first newly-elected president to submit his first limited fiscal plan (again...not a budget) without most of the major elements that make the federal budget a budget.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancol.../#2b6ad2ad4ea7


Trump's reckless spending and tax cuts
By Edward D. Kleinbard



President Trump's budget outline combines a surge in military spending with massive tax cuts, purportedly in the name of stimulating our stagnant economy. This strategy follows closely the fiscal agenda of Ronald Reagan -- modern history's most fiscally irresponsible President.

Over the past 50 years, the United States has twice endured stretches of four consecutive years where federal government deficits averaged more than 5% of GDP -- the total of goods and services produced in the country. One was in 2009-2012, at the beginning of the Obama administration, the result of an economic and financial crisis not seen since the Great Depression.

Budget deficits then reflected fiscal policy the government was embracing in the service of the country, mitigating the pain of the Great Recession and putting us onto a faster path to economic health.
The other was in 1983-1986, in the midst of Ronald Reagan's presidency. Neither foreign wars nor economic crises required these earlier deficits. Instead, they were self-inflicted wounds to the fiscal health of the United States, the results of conscious policy choices to grow the military while slashing taxes.

Pundits still disagree over whether there was an overarching strategy -- to deliberately precipitate a fiscal crisis that would lead to smaller government, or a naive belief that tax cuts pay for themselves -- but whatever the reasoning, Reagan's deficits were unprecedented, and set us on our long-term path of refusing to pay for the government we actually want.

Budget policy need not follow biblical precedent to the letter, but the right response to the Great Recession's fiscal lean years now is to fatten government's revenues up a bit, to reduce the run-up in federal debt that will become increasingly expensive to pay for over time, and to moderate deficit increases so that government has flexibility in responding to the next crisis.

But Trump's budget would do the opposite. It calls for the federal government to increase military spending by $54 billion -- about 10% more than the baseline projection for such spending. It also proposes cutting non-defense discretionary spending by a similar amount. Finally, it proposes large tax cuts. This is basically the same fiscal prescription that Ronald Reagan adopted, and which led to the extraordinary deficits of the mid-1980s.

According to Defense Department data, defense spending soared almost 50% from 1980 to 1986, in constant dollars. Today's spending already is comparable in constant dollar terms to the biggest Reagan budgets. And this sum does not include homeland security or veterans' benefits. Adding $54 billion to the defense budget seems to respond to nothing more substantive than a desire to appear muscular.

From the other direction, slashing non-defense discretionary spending cuts bone, not fat. The CBO estimates that all non-defense discretionary spending already is on track to fall to roughly 2.5% of GDP in 2027 -- the lowest figure since record-keeping began in 1962. The claim that domestic US businesses are strangled by regulatory red tape is a convenient story for Mar-a-Lago members to tell themselves, but is belied by analyses like those of the World Economic Forum or the IMD World Competitiveness Center, both of which rank the United States as one of the three most competitive economies in the world.

As Reagan discovered, large spending reductions will not be easy to find. The EPA has an annual budget of just $8 billion, about 0.2% of total government spending of $3.9 trillion. Foreign aid, once stripped of quasi-military components (drug interdiction programs and the like) amounts only to roughly $25 billion, and of course directly serves the strategic interests of the United States.

Meanwhile, there is no basis for massive tax cuts (although we should rewrite the corporate tax code to make it more efficient). The United States already is the second lowest-taxed large economy in the world -- and that includes state and local taxes. Our total tax collections are about 26% of GDP. Conservative-led Britain raises 32.5% of its GDP in tax; Germany is a highly successful developed economy that collects 37% of its GDP in tax.

Nor will massive tax cuts unleash some slumbering economic giant. In the absence of a huge influx of young immigrants, the CBO predicts that the United States will run completely out of slack in the labor supply by 2018. Meanwhile, between now and 2046 the number of Americans over the age of 65 will increase 50% relative to younger adult Americans. For these reasons, among others, the CBO predicts that our sustainable long-term GDP growth rate is about 2%. The US economy cannot grow at record rates simply through the application of magical tax thinking.

It may be hard to accept, but Reagan was the most fiscally feckless President in modern history. Trump is on track to repeat all the same mistakes, but to do so starting from a weaker fiscal balance sheet. His budget ideas are bad for the fiscal health of the country and the welfare of all Americans

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/opinio...uts-kleinbard/






http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal...-of-the-budget
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:01 PM   #83
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Notice how the Berlin Wall came down after Reagan talked with the Russians instead of advancing a regime change strike?

Diplomacy.


Of course Russia was a financial basket-case which our CIA completely missed.
The Berlin Wall came down because an East German official messed up press release. Crowds gathered on both sides and the guard threw up their hands and said '**** it' when they couldn't get an order to fire on the crowds, not that firing on the crowd probably would of done much but ensure that they perished in a riot.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:10 PM   #84
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Trumps budget blueprint is brilliant. He has taken the budget in hand. He has focused on discretionery dollars. He has focused on redundant and duplicative administrative easte and laid down the gauntlet. The libs took the bait hook line and sinker and used meals on wheels as the standard bearer and PBS. PBS gets 8% of their buget from the federal govt. do a third fundraiser. MOW will do fime run by the state. And NEA can rot in hell. That is not a role for the government to fund grants to actors on broadway for bullshit like Hamilton that has made millions and only the rich can afford.

Its time to cut the fat. And the insane left nutters will whimper in dark corners. Nutters have the next move. And the only move is to hand up what you are willing to cut.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:14 PM   #85
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Trumps budget blueprint is brilliant. He has taken the budget in hand. He has focused on discretionery dollars. He has focused on redundant and duplicative administrative easte and laid down the gauntlet. The libs took the bait hook line and sinker and used meals on wheels as the standard bearer and PBS. PBS gets 8% of their buget from the federal govt. do a third fundraiser. MOW will do fime run by the state. And NEA can rot in hell. That is not a role for the government to fund grants to actors on broadway for bullshit like Hamilton that has made millions and only the rich can afford.

Its time to cut the fat. And the insane left nutters will whimper in dark corners. Nutters have the next move. And the only move is to hand up what you are willing to cut.
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His new budget is eliminating the Chemical Safety Board

Hope you enjoyed Deepwater Horizon since its the CSB's job to make sure that doesn't happened.
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You know what would prevent Deepwater Horizon from happening and cost taxpayers no money? Eliminating the liability caps on such things.
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Your wife stop putting out or something?

Calm your ass down, breathe, and ask yourself if airplane maintenance is more expensive during war or after war. Do you think it would be more expensive when we are running missions constantly? Maybe we use more fuel during war as well? How about when we have a lot more boots on the ground, think that costs a bit more? It's common sense.

As far as how many bases we need in South Korea, I've been to 5 of them. Doesn't mean I know all there is to know about them(I don't) but I sure the hell know more than you do about them. Actually think about it for a moment, we have 12 bases in a country the size of Tennessee. It's a money drain. Don't come to me asking for data when I at least provided something as a comparison of where spending was to where it is now. You haven't provided jack shit and instead just defend a massive spending increase with nothing to back it up. Hypocrite much?
By 2018 most of the bases in South Korea will be consolidated to 3 bases. That's public knowledge and easy to read up on. Also of Area 1 and Area 2 personnel will relocate to USAG Humphries which is south of Seoul in Area 3.
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His new budget is eliminating the Chemical Safety Board

Hope you enjoyed Deepwater Horizon since its the CSB's job to make sure that doesn't happened.
CSB is horseshit. They duplicate the EPA and OSHA. They are an expence with zero benefit. you are to ignorant to believe
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This budget is meaningless and is PR for the base. Why? Because this budget doesn't include the entitlements yet. There is the rub.

Now that doesn't mean I am down on Trump, but until those entitlements are factored in this budget is not based in reality.
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CSB is horseshit. They duplicate the EPA and OSHA. They are an expence with zero benefit. you are to ignorant to believe
Oh really you work for the CSB you damm waste of space.
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