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Old 03-16-2017, 10:59 AM  
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Trumps Budget, setting a direction

The Trump Business man shows in his Budget proposals. For sure he knows he wont get all he wants but he also knows that establishing that expectation will get him big gains in the final measure.

Cutting the UN is a winner with voters, Cutting the EPA and brining them back into focus on real world environmental protection is a must.

Slashing the Arts and PBS? Not so h=good in my estimation but we enjoy PBS and are long term contributors.

But bottom line is, He will accomplish a bunch by cutting fat department by department and moving things back to the states to do and reduce Washingtons overhead.



The new White House budget proposal, a wish list of President Donald Trump’s policies, would cut funding to several arts and grants programs that Republicans have decried for decades.

Trump’s 2018 budget, called “America First: A Budget Blueprint to Make America Great Again,” requests increases in defense spending and reduction of domestic programs.

Specifically, the budget “proposes to eliminate funding for other independent agencies,” including the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH), and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which sends some amount of funding to PBS and National Public Radio.

Though Big Bird only re-airs on PBS (“Sesame Street” is now on HBO), eliminating funding to things like the NEA Corporation for Public Broadcasting is not a new idea. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested cutting the CPB during the 2012 presidential campaign, and was quickly criticized. Former President Barack Obama even accused Romney of trying to kill Big Bird in a campaign ad.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:43 PM   #61
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Nothing to debate, we rarely see eye to eye on issues like this... and that will probably never change, and thats ok in a big tent
The tent is too big—to the point that real conservatism no longer has it's tradition meaning. The paleo right disagrees with a belligerent foreign policy because it leads to more by nations we don't like.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:48 PM   #62
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The tent is too big—to the point that real conservatism no longer has it's tradition meaning. The paleo right disagrees with a belligerent foreign policy because it leads to more by nations we don't like.
While I'm not in favor of troops in Syria at all, as I believe that place is a lost cause, same for Yemen... but I also believe that if the US doesnt reassert itself in the broader ME, we risk being sidelined altogether

No, "reasserting" doesnt have to mean "controlling or dominating" them... but China, Iran and Russia are all over the place in the ME right now throwing their weight around

There is just simply no way that a truly isolationist policy is good for this nation, we absolutely have to stay engaged in many instances

If not, our own and others prosperity will be severely threatened

Shutting down all of our bases and withdrawing, as some have suggested, would be a total ****ing disaster for the US

If people think we're some kind of evil, hegemonic power... just wait until China, Iran and Russia are running the show
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:50 PM   #63
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While I'm not in favor of troops in Syria at all, as I believe that place is a lost cause, same for Yemen... but I also believe that if the US doesnt reassert itself in the broader ME, we risk being sidelined altogether

No, "reasserting" doesnt have to mean "controlling or dominating" them... but China, Iran and Russia are all over the place in the ME right now throwing their weight around

There is just simply no way that a truly isolationist policy is good for this nation, we absolutely have to stay engaged in many instances

If not, our own and others prosperity will be severely threatened

Shutting down all of our bases and withdrawing, as some have suggested, would be a total ****ing disaster for the US

If people think we're some kind of evil, hegemonic power... just wait until China, Iran and Russia are running the show
How do you feel about Troops in NK after Tillersons comments today ?
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:24 PM   #64
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That would be completely up to the state to decide would it not?

The point is yes the states get less block grant $ and decide what programs to spend it on. If MOW is working why would they cut that program? Most of MOW $ comes from private donations anyway.

Its up to them.
And if all the programs it funds are worthwhile? Then what?
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:26 PM   #65
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And if all the programs it funds are worthwhile? Then what?
It would indeed be a miracle.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:53 PM   #66
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How do you feel about Troops in NK after Tillersons comments today ?
Permanent US troops in NK would almost certainly mean WWIII with China, so I'm not for it

But a strike to take out Kim and his top guys? yes absolutely... then we could haggle with China about what kind of regime takes over
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:01 PM   #67
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Permanent US troops in NK would almost certainly mean WWIII with China, so I'm not for it

But a strike to take out Kim and his top guys? yes absolutely... then we could haggle with China about what kind of regime takes over
I Wonder if South Korea and North Korea would combine if Kim was out of the picture.
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I Wonder if South Korea and North Korea would combine if Kim was out of the picture.
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I think the same as long as you prevented the military leaders from taking power. Family members coming back together, etc.
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I think the same as long as you prevented the military leaders from taking power. Family members coming back together, etc.
It would be a tangled mess fraught with peril no matter what, I have no idea how it would play out

On one hand, theres no doubt the NK people themselves would be elated and ready for reconciliation... freedom and hunger are powerful motivators

On the other, China would be ready for all out war if we tried to install puppets

Worst case scenario IMO is China takes over the north with some concessions made... at least then we'd have somewhat level headed people in charge up there, and not threatening the world every other month
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Permanent US troops in NK would almost certainly mean WWIII with China, so I'm not for it

But a strike to take out Kim and his top guys? yes absolutely... then we could haggle with China about what kind of regime takes over
That's what the Establishment Globalist NeoCons want.

Why are you with them, when such actions have shown themselves to be unpredictable making bigger messes than they were before?

Where does it end?
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It would be a tangled mess fraught with peril no matter what, I have no idea how it would play out

On one hand, theres no doubt the NK people themselves would be elated and ready for reconciliation... freedom and hunger are powerful motivators

On the other, China would be ready for all out war if we tried to install puppets

Worst case scenario IMO is China takes over the north with some concessions made... at least then we'd have somewhat level headed people in charge up there, and not threatening the world every other month
I guarantee China would make some sort of play there, with all they've been pulling in the South China Sea it's pretty obvious they're in an expansionist mood. I wouldn't mind them staying separate if North and South could normalize relations and it wasn't just a China puppet there. Perhaps we leverage the One China policy with a One Korea policy? Lot of variables there.
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It would be a tangled mess fraught with peril no matter what, I have no idea how it would play out.
Precisely why it should not be done, especially after the messes the past 15 years from regime change operations.

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We heard the same thing before going into Iraq. Instead it unleashed the factions against one another. Christians were slaughtered or lost their homes, ISIS arose.

Would they feel that way if they lose loved ones?
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Notice how the Berlin Wall came down after Reagan talked with the Russians instead of advancing a regime change strike?

Diplomacy.


Of course Russia was a financial basket-case which our CIA completely missed.
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