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Former Colonel Warns US Generating Enemies Beyond Capacity to Deal with Them

It's not just Russia, but it's beginning to look like North Korea may be Trump's first globalist war using the military first. He's escalated the war in Syria, where Russia and the Assad govt have already made serious gains against ISIS. Now it's ground troops going in there, without permission of that sovereign nation. No wonder Assad says he will consider us invaders. Then there's Saudi's war with Yemen—not our fight but Trump is escalating that too. The guys being fought there are enemies of ISIS.

In looking at North Korea, this one scares me. But again, why the hell do they want nukes? Look what happened to Libya when they got rid of their nukes. John Bolton has already been on Fox stressing regime change there and now drones are being sent to the border. NK knows they're on our growing list of countries targeted for regime change wars. This is the song of globalism, using the military first that Trump said he opposed.

I suspect it's the advice Trump is getting. He needs to clean house. He's going NeoCon. He's surrounded by them and they lie to get their way. It's no wonder the Deep State leadership is and the GOPe are out to get Trump.
Lawrence Wilkerson, a former Army colonel and chief of staff for Colin Powell at the United States Department of State, expressed this week strong criticism of the US government adding more and more nations to its enemies list. Speaking with host Paul Jay at the Real News Network this week, Wilkerson, who is a professor at the College of William & Mary, concludes that, even with the large amount of money the US spends on the military, it is “utterly beyond our capacity to deal with all these enemies” that the US has generated.

In the interview, which is largely focused on some individuals’ effort to influence US foreign policy toward creating intensified animosity between the governments of the US and Russia, Wilkerson explains further his concern about the long list of US enemies.

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What I can't fathom right now is why anyone would want, with the situation the way it is right now in this country, another enemy. You know that old conservation of enemies theory: You don't want any more than you can handle at any given time. Look at who we're lining up, Paul. We're lining up China. We're lining up Iran and all that goes along with Iran, including Hezbollah in Lebanon. We are lining up with North Korea. We are lining up with Russia. This is absurd. John McCain and Lindsay Graham can pontificate all day long, but I'm going to tell you that they're idiots. We do not need an enemy list that is beyond what we could even in the most wild moment contemplate handling. We don't have the military forces to handle all these enemies, and, yet, we're bearding them, as it were.
Col. Lawrence Wilkerson tells Paul Jay that from the expansion of NATO to the Western-led plundering of the former USSR, the US has given Russia enough reason to feel threatened:


http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...-to-deal-with/
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:55 AM   #31
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More reason to pass the budget and fund the repair to our .mil
Repair the military? From WHAT?! We outspend everyone on military. What do we need to give it MORE money for?
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:24 AM   #32
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Repair the military? From WHAT?! We outspend everyone on military. What do we need to give it MORE money for?
Wrong. And what do you know about the readiness of our military?

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Old 03-17-2017, 07:10 AM   #33
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I have not sold out, anymore than you sold out voting for Hitlery. This is just our opinion, and one that shows gross ignorance of my positions and issues on the campaign, because you were absent here for most of that period. You did not tell me a 1000 times this would happen either. I knew Trump was going to go after ISIS, because he said so—just not how.

FYI, I don't regret my vote because HiLiaRy would still be worse and we'd be in the TPP AND at war with Russia. (Unfortunately detente with Russia is now on the back burner.)

I said when I voted for Trump that I could and would still complain when I disagreed with Trump. No one agrees with everything a candidate says or does. Same with Bush.

I even acknowledged that I knew he was going to go after ISIS and not by getting out of the MidEast, but knew Americans wanted ISIS dealt with. So I was willing to accept that disagreement. (There's a post here somewhere from last year where I specifically post this about ISIS, that I didn't agree but understood it.) Trump didn't say how but, iirc he mentioned something regarding their funding which I did support, since the Saudi's fund them. If he was at least going after their funding, I'd have less of a problem, but instead he escalates the war in Yemen, a Saudi war, which is make more terrorists.

Trump also said he was fine letting the Russians do it, or work with them. Bringing in ground troops, without Assad's permission, isn't doing that. Let's see what side he starts to kill.

However, when I see John Bolton on Fox saying Assad has to go, I have to wonder if we're really going to be working with those like Al Nusra who are trying to get rid of Assad. We're better off helping Assad and letting him stay.
You silly old gal, please read what I said again, I said myself and others told you. Anyway it was obvious to anybody watching that Trump was a war monger and has been for every military operation over the last decade +. Just because you and others naively believed him when he said he didn't even though we have him on tape saying the opposite. He also stated many times he would deploy 10,000-30,000 troops into Syria to fight ISIS. I pointed that out to you many times as well.

Here is a link from this morning from Politico stating that the Pentagon is worried about mission creep setting in. We are deploying 1000's of troops across the ME and now have Tillerson rattling the sabre at NK. It won't be long before Israel joins the war chant to start bombing Iran and Trump will go along with Bibi like a good boy.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...p-trump-236156

You sold out so you have no room to complain now.
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Old 03-17-2017, 07:12 AM   #34
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:42 AM   #35
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New Secretary of Diplomacy threatens to nuke N. Korea for not obeying US.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ti...-idUSKBN16O07E


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Soon after Tillerson’s remarks, in a sign of mounting tensions, the North Korean Embassy held an extraordinary news conference in Beijing to blame the potential for nuclear war on the United States while vowing that its homegrown nuclear testing program will continue in self-defense, the WaPo added.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.724b4cde77e2

Don't get the idea, I don't think NK isn't a threat. I do. More so than Iran, Russia, China, Sudan, Libya, Syria or Yemen. Out of our ever growing list of enemy states, who we sabre-rattle for lesser things—that are not true threats but disagreements, we've been waging pre-emptive war before there is any threat to our existence. This Bush Doctrine, far more aggressive than the Reagan Doctrine, has led to an arms race. It's logical for some states to seek nukes or other defensive weapons like missiles under such global conditions. That's not being a maniac if you fear it happening to you too. Look what happened to Libya when they got rid of their nukes.

That and the War on Terror has been creating more terrorists too. It DOES NOT WORK. Same bullshit as we escalate inside Syria and Yemen now with Iran and Russia still on the horizon.
It's reaching crisis conditions now but our govt has brought it on. Let's hope Tillerson, will pull off some back-door diplomacy which JFK pulled off during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ti...-idUSKBN16O07E
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And after a long 72 hour stretch of threatening, Rex Tillerson got lightheaded, canceled his stop in SK and said he wants to go home.

I'll bet the SK's are really happy about this.
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:12 AM   #37
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New Secretary of Diplomacy threatens to nuke N. Korea for not obeying US.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ti...-idUSKBN16O07E





Don't get the idea, I don't think NK isn't a threat. I do. More so than Iran, Russia, China, Sudan, Libya, Syria or Yemen. Out of our ever growing list of enemy states, who we sabre-rattle for lesser things—that are not true threats but disagreements, we've been waging pre-emptive war before some there is any threat to our existence. This Bush Doctrine, far more aggressive than the Reagan Doctrine, has led to an arms race. It's logical for some states to seek nukes or other defensive weapons like missiles under such global conditions. That's not being a maniac if you fear it happening to you too. Look what happened to Libya when they got rid of their nukes.

That and the War on Terror has been creating more terrorists too. It DOES NOT WORK. Same bullshit as we escalate inside Syria and Yemen now with Iran and Russia still on the horizon.
It's reaching crisis conditions now but our govt has brought it on. Let's hope Tillerson, will pull off some back-door diplomacy which JFK pulled off during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ti...-idUSKBN16O07E
I highly doubt that is possible without China putting a thumb on Kim's head. He is the ultimate spoiled, overgrown kid. You just cant negotiate with that.
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I'll bet chickenhawking for 72 hours can get tiring though. Especially when you're stating all that bluster in a city with a few thousand warheads pointed at it.

I'd suddenly get lightheaded about then.
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And Mr. Needs-a-naperson doesn't allow the usual press pool. Just a single reporter from the ..... Independent Journal Review. And that reporter hasn't filed a story yet on the entire 3 day trip.
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And Mr. Needs-a-naperson doesn't allow the usual press pool. Just a single reporter from the ..... Independent Journal Review. And that reporter hasn't filed a story yet on the entire 3 day trip.
Judging from the you put in your post, I doubt you would believe anything that reporter wrote anyways. Why does it matter if he/she has not submitted a story yet?
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:39 AM   #42
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Judging from the you put in your post, I doubt you would believe anything that reporter wrote anyways. Why does it matter if he/she has not submitted a story yet?
You don't find that strange?

72 hours into a trip, in which our SoS, essentially threatening nuclear war toward DPRK, you'd think, maybe, just maybe, there would be a reporter from a US Press pool asking questions. Instead, we have a single reporter from IJR, who hasn't been fed any information to pass on.

Anything reported from this trip has come from SK press. And they're not exactly thrilled that our low energy, beta SoS, wants to go home after threatening the nut job DPRK from within the confines of a city with enough metal pointed at it to wipe out about 3 million people and our own troops.

And you don't find that odd?
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You don't find that strange?

72 hours into a trip, in which our SoS, essentially threatening nuclear war toward DPRK, you'd think, maybe, just maybe, there would be a reporter from a US Press pool asking questions. Instead, we have a single reporter from IJR, who hasn't been fed any information to pass on.

Anything reported from this trip has come from SK press. And they're not exactly thrilled that our low energy, beta SoS, wants to go home after threatening the nut job DPRK from within the confines of a city with enough metal pointed at it to wipe out about 3 million people and our own troops.

And you don't find that odd?
That's a heck of a write-up, which I happen to agree with partly. However, it has nothing at all to do with the question I asked.
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That's a heck of a write-up, which I happen to agree with partly. However, it has nothing at all to do with the question I asked.
I'll simplify just for you. If the SK press can post multiple stories about the visit, and the single American IJR reporter can't, I think that's a problem. So it kind of tells me that she's more of nobody, has no sources, etc.

So, back to you: this doesn't give you pause?
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I'll simplify just for you. If the SK press can post multiple stories about the visit, and the single American IJR reporter can't, I think that's a problem. So it kind of tells me that she's more of nobody, has no sources, etc.

So, back to you: this doesn't give you pause?
I completely agree with this. Especially from (what I would think would be) the SK point of view. HOWEVER, how does this answer my question. I guess in a roundabout way, it touches on the last part. But it appeared from your statement that got this exchange started, you wouldn't believe anything wrote anyways. Am I incorrect?
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