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Old 03-13-2017, 04:20 PM  
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Spicer: Trump didn't actually mean "wire tapping."

Didn't mean Obama himself either, but rather his administration.

Then why call him a "bad (or sick) guy"? "Sick" seems to imply that Obama himself was listening in when he was doing Melania. (Now there's a scary thought - a desecration - like throwing acid on the Mona Lisa.)

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White House appears to soften Trump's claim on wiretapping


WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday appeared to soften President Donald Trump's unproven assertion that his predecessor wiretapped his New York skyscraper during the election. The shift came as the Justice Department faced a deadline to provide lawmakers evidence to back up Trump's explosive claim.

More than a week after Trump leveled his allegations in a series of early morning tweets, spokesman Sean Spicer said the president wasn't using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.

"The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities," Spicer said Monday. He also suggested Trump wasn't accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration.

Spicer's evolving explanation underscores the bind Trump has put his own White House in. Current and former administration officials have been unable to provide any evidence of the Obama administration wiretapping Trump Tower, yet the president's aides have been reluctant to publicly contradict their boss.

Trump himself has not commented on the matter since his March 4 tweets, in which he said he had "just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory." He also wrote: "Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?"

The president's accusations against Obama came amid numerous political questions surrounding his associates' possible ties to Russia. The FBI is investigating Trump associates' contacts with Russia during the election, as are House and Senate intelligence committees.

The White House has asked those committees to also investigate Trump's unverified wiretapping allegations against Obama. The House committee has turned the matter back on the Trump administration, setting a Monday deadline for the Justice Department to provide evidence.

Spicer said he expected the Justice Department to comply with that request. DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said Monday that the department was reviewing the request, "but we don't have any further comment at this time."

Other congressional committees are also pushing the administration to clarify Trump's claims.

Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., asked Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and FBI Director James Comey to produce the paper trail created when the Justice Department's criminal division secures warrants for wiretaps. The senators, who head the Senate Judiciary Committee's crime and terrorism subcommittee, are seeking warrant applications and court orders, which they said can be scrubbed to protect secret intelligence sources and methods.

Trump's critics have slammed the president for making the wiretapping claim on his Twitter account without evidence. Wiretapping a U.S. citizen would require special permission from a court, and Trump as president would have the ability to declassify that information.

Sen. John McCain, an influential Republican, said Sunday: "I think the president has one of two choices: either retract or to provide the information that the American people deserve."

"If his predecessor violated the law, President Obama violated the law, we have got a serious issue here, to say the least," McCain said.

Comey has privately urged the Justice Department to dispute Trump's claim but has not come forward to do so himself. James Clapper, who was Obama's director of national intelligence, has said that nothing matching Trump's claims had taken place.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway sidestepped questions about the lack of proof Monday, saying she was "not in the job of having evidence."

"That's what investigations are for," Conway told CNN's "New Day." "The president is pleased that the House and Senate intelligence committees have agreed that this should be part of the investigation that already exists about Russia and the campaign, an investigation that apparently has gone nowhere so far."

In a weekend interview with the Bergen Record, a newspaper in her home state of New Jersey, Conway appeared to point toward the recent WikiLeaks release of nearly 8,000 documents that purportedly reveal secrets about the CIA's tools for breaking into targeted computers, cellphones and even smart TVs.

"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately," including "microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera," Conway said. "So we know that that is just a fact of modern life."
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:14 AM   #61
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So basically some of you think it's acceptable to violate the 4th amendment as long as they don't put a physical wire tap on a phone.

If we're using surveillance options available in modern times instead of the 70's, it's not a problem.

This is a pedantic conversation when the real issue is the CIA and FBI's continuing disregard for the 4th amendment during Obama's presidency and the previous one under Bush (which obama simply expanded upon, even though he lied during his campaign and said he'd dial it back).

A trend that Trump will follow, because presidents tend to build on the power established by previous presidents, not dial it back. This is why it's bad to set totalitarian precedents. Eventually someone you DO NOT like will end up in that office.

The topic is bigger than semantics and your hatred of Trump.

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Old 03-14-2017, 08:23 AM   #62
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:30 AM   #63
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So basically some of you think it's acceptable to violate the 4th amendment as long as they don't put a physical wire tap on a phone.

If we're using surveillance options available in modern times instead of the 70's, it's not a problem.

This is a pedantic conversation when the real issue is the CIA and FBI's continuing disregard for the 4th amendment during Obama's presidency and the previous one under Bush (which obama simply expanded upon, even though he lied during his campaign and said he'd dial it back).

A trend that Trump will follow, because presidents tend to build on the power established by previous presidents, not dial it back. This is why it's bad to set totalitarian precedents. Eventually someone you DO NOT like will end up in that office.

The topic is bigger than semantics and your hatred of Trump.
The topic is Trump slandering a Former president without offering any evidence.
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:30 AM   #64
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How many times will Donnie make his supporters look like raging simpletons before they decide enough is enough and it's time to jump ship? Get some dignity ffs.
Growing economy, job growth, 40% drop in illegal immigration already, consumer confidence highest in decades....

Its just terrible I tell you, terrible.

You know who the simpletons are? The Dems who keep pushing irrelevant hypocritical topics like Russia because they don't have anything else to bring up.

Dignity is a topic that Liberals have zero moral high ground to stand on, just more hypocrisy.
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:34 AM   #65
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Growing economy, job growth, 40% drop in illegal immigration already, consumer confidence highest in decades....

Its just terrible I tell you, terrible.

You know who the simpletons are? The Dems who keep pushing irrelevant hypocritical topics like Russia because they don't have anything else to bring up.

Dignity is a topic that Liberals have zero moral high ground to stand on, just more hypocrisy.
"Hey, don't look at all these possible problems with Trump because the economy is doing exactly the same thing it did under Obama!"



"Obama job numbers were fake, but its real now!"
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:35 AM   #66
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"Hey, don't look at all these possible problems with Trump because the economy is doing exactly the same thing it did under Obama!"



"Obama job numbers were fake, but its real now!"
Look, more evidence you are drooling ****ing idiot.
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:41 AM   #67
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Look, more evidence you are drooling ****ing idiot.
The economy was growing at the same pace under Obama.

The job increases are at the same pace under Obama.

illegal entry was already going down under Obama.

Consumer confidence reached new heights under Obama.

Maybe if you like actually pay attention rather than simply repeating talking points you wouldn't look like a tool all the time.
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The economy was growing at the same pace under Obama.

The job increases are at the same pace under Obama.

illegal entry was already going down under Obama.

Consumer confidence reached new heights under Obama.

Maybe if you like actually pay attention rather than simply repeating talking points you wouldn't look like a tool all the time.
You are a ****ing moron.
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Old 03-14-2017, 09:13 AM   #69
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Growing economy, job growth, 40% drop in illegal immigration already, consumer confidence highest in decades....

Its just terrible I tell you, terrible.

You know who the simpletons are? The Dems who keep pushing irrelevant hypocritical topics like Russia because they don't have anything else to bring up.

Dignity is a topic that Liberals have zero moral high ground to stand on, just more hypocrisy.
It's incredible that Russia interfering in US elections is now 'irrelevant' in the eyes of Donnie's acolytes.
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You are a ****ing moron.
It would be a more interesting debate if you would rebut his arguments instead of just calling him a moron.
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So basically some of you think it's acceptable to violate the 4th amendment as long as they don't put a physical wire tap on a phone.

If we're using surveillance options available in modern times instead of the 70's, it's not a problem.

This is a pedantic conversation when the real issue is the CIA and FBI's continuing disregard for the 4th amendment during Obama's presidency and the previous one under Bush (which obama simply expanded upon, even though he lied during his campaign and said he'd dial it back).
Oh, I agree completely about how terrible of a precedent was started under Bush, expanded under Obama, and will doubtlessly expand under Trump.

Trump's term may be a lesson that one's own side should not bring a weapon to bear (FISA, reconciliation, etc.) unless they are accepting that one day they might see the other end of it.

I was just making the point that a perfectly legitimate reading, though not a wooden literal one, of Trump's tweet could render it as a claim that he was under electronic surveillance, not specifically by telephone wire tapping. No one is arguing that this is what he wrote, but it's certainly possible that's what he meant.

If he has something, he should turn the matter over to DOJ immediately and they should produce it as soon as is workable under any investigations that might be ongoing.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:25 AM   #72
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The economy was growing at the same pace under Obama.

The job increases are at the same pace under Obama.

illegal entry was already going down under Obama.

Consumer confidence reached new heights under Obama.

Maybe if you like actually pay attention rather than simply repeating talking points you wouldn't look like a tool all the time.


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