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Old 03-17-2017, 12:19 PM  
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Thomas Frank : Trump is right, but a hypocrite

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-lines-podcast

Not a long listen, but one of my favorite authors, Thomas Frank.
He's a political analyst, historian, journalist, and author who got his PhD at the University of Chicago and was born and grew up in Kansas.

It's not exactly a takedown on Trump, but a perspective on the vacuum of political representation of middle class interests by our 2 political parties in this country. In fact, his most recent book is more of a critical analysis of the failure of the Democratic party in their shift in of political bases.

I shared it with friends and family of mine, who are devout Republicans, Libertarians, Moderates, Democrats, Progressives, and everywhere in between on the spectrum of political social and economic issues. Overwhelming feedback has been positive in taking a unique perspective on fair criticism of both parties and rooted in the data, evidence, and plotting the historical timeline of events to develop an illuminating narrative of how we got to our present day state of affairs.

I figured it would be of interest regardless of your particular ideological disposition, and something else to discuss other than the whirlwind of daily news cycle dominating the forum.

Like I said, it's not a long audio piece, and I am interested in hearing what people think about what is discussed by Frank.

Enjoy, and Happy St. Pat's!
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:34 PM   #2
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Not long? It's 32 minutes!
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:39 PM   #3
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Not long? It's 32 minutes!
An episode of any sitcom I would say isn't long. What were you expecting? An Mtv music video duration...
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:41 PM   #4
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An episode of any sitcom I would say isn't long. What were you expecting? An Mtv music video duration...
Yes.

And shut your face or I'm going to stop listening to it....
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:53 PM   #5
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Yes.

And shut your face or I'm going to stop listening to it....
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:24 PM   #6
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So it's a good listen. It's a great listen for moderates that aren't attached to an ideology.

I'll save you guys some trouble though because i already know how this will go.

This man spends the majority of this 32 minute speech ripping the Obama administration. He rips them for their detachment from the american public and he rips their economic policies. He rips them for being elitists and he rips Obama for being more of the same of what this country hates. He hits on a lot of key Republican talking points.

He's also not a fan of Trump and Republicans in general. He points out the ridiculousness of Trump's ignorance surrounding most issues, and laughs at the conclusions that come from the Right Wing echo chamber.

So in other words, this guy is fair and honest. He's calling it how he sees it and telling the truth about these two parties. Some of it may hit too close to home.

Conservatives around here will love what he has to say about the dems, and then hate him for what he has to say about Trump/Trumpers. We all know how this goes.

You won't find your bias confirmation here, so don't waste your time. You're better off reading InfoWars if you want your version of the "truth".
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:47 PM   #7
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Yes, it would be a fair summation. His other book, What's the Matter with Kansas, focuses more on Republicans.

I would also recommend the book, Deer Hunting with Jesus as an outstanding commentary on the rural areas exodus of one time Democratic strongholds.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:21 AM   #8
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That was a really good commentary. Enjoyed it. Also read the book What's The Matter With Kansas?
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That was a really good commentary. Enjoyed it. Also read the book What's The Matter With Kansas?
Frank is a fine writer. He never wrote a book "what's the matter with Jews?" or "what's the matter with white urban liberals?"


Those would also be really good books about folks who vote against their own economic interests.
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So it's a good listen. It's a great listen for moderates that aren't attached to an ideology.

I'll save you guys some trouble though because i already know how this will go.

This man spends the majority of this 32 minute speech ripping the Obama administration. He rips them for their detachment from the american public and he rips their economic policies. He rips them for being elitists and he rips Obama for being more of the same of what this country hates. He hits on a lot of key Republican talking points.

He's also not a fan of Trump and Republicans in general. He points out the ridiculousness of Trump's ignorance surrounding most issues, and laughs at the conclusions that come from the Right Wing echo chamber.

So in other words, this guy is fair and honest. He's calling it how he sees it and telling the truth about these two parties. Some of it may hit too close to home.

Conservatives around here will love what he has to say about the dems, and then hate him for what he has to say about Trump/Trumpers. We all know how this goes.

You won't find your bias confirmation here, so don't waste your time. You're better off reading InfoWars if you want your version of the "truth".
If it is a 32 minute clip, I wont even try. My crappy satellite internet connection would have me trying to hang myself before it gets to the end

Not necessarily on the bolded. Depending on what you consider conservatives or right wing, you may be surprised. Assuming your breakdown is a fair account, I'm not very far off. Without knowing what was said in this clip, I will give you my party stances in general...

Republicans piss me off, Democrats scare me. I really don't fit in anywhere
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Republicans pretend to care about being fiscally responsible. Democrats pretend to care about civil liberties. Both parties think that any body that votes for them are rubes.
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Republicans pretend to care about being fiscally responsible. Democrats pretend to care about civil liberties. Both parties think that any body that votes for them are rubes.
Exactly!
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Exactly!
...and some would like to see a return to political parties and officials less consumed with self dealing in an age where corporate interests are eroding government function in a silent coup.

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This guy gets it.
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As George Carlin once said: "people are ****ing dumb." If you criticize Trump, that means you love Obama, Hillary and the democrats, if you criticize the democrats you're automatically a trump supporter.

And I have a hatred for both of them (and for the nation-state entity in general) - I've been called everything from "fascist" to "pinko-commie" in spite of having no affiliations with either the "left" or the "right."

Yes - each side thinks that I want one party or the other to take power when my goal is the destruction of the state entity and the rise of fully-autonomous communities.

This conflict is quite multifaceted but the media has convinced us there's only two valid points of view: no one in the mainstream wants to even consider a third option
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