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Old 12-10-2016, 07:39 PM  
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The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election specifically to help Donald Trump win the presidency, a U.S. official has confirmed to NPR.

"Before, there was confidence about the fact that Russia interfered," the official says. "But there was low confidence on what the direction and intentionality of the interference was. Now they (the CIA) have come to the conclusion that Russia was trying to tip the election to Trump."
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On Friday evening, the Trump transition team fired back with a statement dismissing the report of the agency's conclusion.

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the statement said. "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It's now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.' "

In fact, Trump's percentage of the electoral vote in the 2016 election ranks 46th among presidential election winners in U.S. history
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:24 PM   #991
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Do you accept that interference can take place even if the outcome isn't changed?
Sounds like you've made up your mind, despite no evidence.

Ya' know, it depends on who does this investigation too. These things hide stuff too.
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Old 12-22-2016, 08:34 PM   #992
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If we got outsmarted by the Russians, maybe they're smarter than us?
Well "Russians" and "us" are pretty broad terms... Now if it's true (if!!!), I'd say the Dems were easily out-smarted by somebody in Russia. Whether that was Putin or Comrade Joe, how can it possibly matter now?

And I'd like to separate the out-smart part from the interfered part:

Out-Smarted - Possibly breaking into their illegal servers, and hacking into email accounts on other systems/servers. Hardly a world-class hack by 2016 standards.

Interfered - Exposed truths?? While it's frustrating, I'm not sure we saw anything in those emails we didn't already know/suspect, and 100% of what we learned should have been said openly by the authors. The idea that your/a private position should remain private is bullshit in politics. So I'm not sure "the truth" should be documented as "interference" in the history books.
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Old 12-22-2016, 08:36 PM   #993
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Last I checked lie detectors aren't really all that accurate.
You sure have to take one when/if you interview with the CIA, so they think there's something to them.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the CIA tends to use them.
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Old 12-22-2016, 08:38 PM   #994
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:45 PM   #995
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You sure have to take one when/if you interview with the CIA, so they think there's something to them.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the CIA tends to use them.
Meh, that doesn't surprise me. The CIA has never really been concerned about what is and is not legal. It's a tool that gives medical feedback.
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Old 12-23-2016, 12:45 AM   #996
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In your opinion, based on no evidence. Assange helped Trump get more votes—but how many? You don't even know that. Her physical collapse didn't help her either. Nor did her message, which was mostly just attacks because she really didn't have one. Now, how to you separate out all that to see how much each was a factor—especially where he pop vote lead stems from one state? No one knows that for certain. It's speculation.
The point of my post is that Russia played such a huge role in the election Hillary got more votes than Trump. They totally threw it in Trumps favor.
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Old 12-23-2016, 12:56 AM   #997
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Seems to me that the CIA looks at us all like insects.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:25 AM   #998
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The point of my post is that Russia played such a huge role in the election Hillary got more votes than Trump. They totally threw it in Trumps favor.
I disagree with that analysis when you use "huge" role resulting in more votes for Trump. There's no way to know how much that played into unless you mean the threat of a war with them which was discussed. I know that was my first reason to consider Trump but I had been reading about how much of a military build-up was on Russia's border. I don't think most voters were reading what I read.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:27 AM   #999
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Seems to me that the CIA looks at us all like insects.
What I've read is they have their own agenda—not just now but for a long time. So I think they have quite a bit of fear about Trump stopping some of their business as usual. It's often called a part of the "deep state." I hope Trump busts them. There's something they're afraid of for them to be attacking him like this.

I would love the CIA to be completely disbanded and put under the Dept of Defense instead.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:27 AM   #1000
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I disagree with that analysis when you use "huge" role resulting in more votes for Trump. There's no way to know how much that played into unless you mean the threat of a war with them which was discussed. I know that was my first reason to consider Trump but I had been reading about how much of a military build-up was on Russia's border. I don't think most voters were reading what I read.
He's being sarcastic. He's still wrong, but it wasn't serious analysis.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:30 AM   #1001
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Meh, that doesn't surprise me. The CIA has never really been concerned about what is and is not legal. It's a tool that gives medical feedback.
Is using a lie detector illegal? If so why do they get used in criminal cases by govt authorities?
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:44 AM   #1002
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Well "Russians" and "us" are pretty broad terms... Now if it's true (if!!!), I'd say the Dems were easily out-smarted by somebody in Russia. Whether that was Putin or Comrade Joe, how can it possibly matter now?

And I'd like to separate the out-smart part from the interfered part:

Out-Smarted - Possibly breaking into their illegal servers, and hacking into email accounts on other systems/servers. Hardly a world-class hack by 2016 standards.

Interfered - Exposed truths?? While it's frustrating, I'm not sure we saw anything in those emails we didn't already know/suspect, and 100% of what we learned should have been said openly by the authors. The idea that your/a private position should remain private is bullshit in politics. So I'm not sure "the truth" should be documented as "interference" in the history books.

If we can't stop them from "interfering", then we are either (1) dumber or (2) weaker than they are.
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:52 AM   #1003
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If we can't stop them from "interfering", then we are either (1) dumber or (2) weaker than they are.
We are both.

1) Before Hillary's emails were done being examined both parties took time to state how "ethical" and "honest" and how much they respected Comey.

2) Once Hillary wasn't brought up on charges republicans $3it on him immediately did a 180 on him. Dems doubled down on backing him and Reps questioned his integrity.

3) Then Comey reopened the investigation and Dems questioned his integrity and Reps immediately went back to talking about how ethical and moral he was.

Wait, whut?

Both parties do a 180 and completely change their stance.

3) Comey says the new investiagation points to nothing and both parties, again, do a 180.

Now both Dems and Reps HAVE FLIP/FLOPPED on the man.
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Old 12-23-2016, 11:10 AM   #1004
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The White House opposed a Republican-led push earlier this year to create an executive-branch task force to battle Russia’s covert information operations, according to a document obtained by POLITICO.

Sen. Tom Cotton, a leading GOP defense hawk who has long urged President Barack Obama to take a harder line on Russia, sought to force the White House to create a panel with representatives from a number of government agencies to counter Russian efforts "to exert covert influence," including by exposing Russian "falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism, and assassinations.”

But the administration rejected the call, saying in a letter to Congress that hasn’t been released publicly that the panel would duplicate existing efforts to battle Russian influence operations — an argument Cotton rejects.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...e-house-232896

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It's ALWAYS a valid concern.

The bigger problem is that the brain trust of CP could have hacked Podesta and the DNC...
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