Post your short list (realistic) for 27

staylor26 · 02:20 PM

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Jarrad Davis
3. Haason Reddick
4. Christian McCaffrey
5. Alvin Kamara
6. John Ross

I feel pretty confident that barring Berry leaving, we will be going QB, ILB, or RB at 27.

Urc Burry · 02-13-2017, 03:06 PM

Mahomes/Watson
Jarrad Davis/Zach Cunningham
Sidney Jones/Teez Tabor
Budda Baker

I wouldn't be opposed to a WR like Ross. But feel like we are good enough there.

I'm all in for a QB, but it's tough to tell how that is going to fall on draft day.

I've said before Budda Baker is my official draft crush. I think he's the honey badger 2.0. He can play anywhere in the secondary and just makes plays.

Everyone talks about Berry being a FA, but we also need to remember Ron Parker is now 30. And his contract is easy to get out of when his play slips

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-13-2017, 04:33 PM

Reid isn't taking a QB in Rd 1 when we already have a legit QB. They will choose a playmaker that can start on day one. Our QB pick will be in rd 4-6

kccrow · 02-13-2017, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Reid isn't taking a QB in Rd 1 when we already have a legit QB. They will choose a playmaker that can start on day one. Our QB pick will be in rd 4-6

Do you take a QB that needs a year or so to develop when you have a 33 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract? Or, do you just hope that you can somehow trade into the top 5 in a season or two for a guy, likely foregoing one to two seasons in the future due to lost picks from the trade?

kccrow · 02-13-2017, 05:19 PM

How short of a list? Here's some thoughts...

If KC doesn't address inside linebacker during free agency nor via trade, some serious thought will go into all of these guys:

Haason Reddick (OLB/ILB)
Zach Cunningham (ILB)
Raekwon McMillan (ILB)
Jarrad Davis (ILB)

Although I doubt the Chiefs look at receivers early, they could be wondering about the future of Maclin at this point so I'd say:

John Ross (WR)
Curtis Samuel (WR)
Cooper Kupp (WR)

The Chiefs might look to boast a true dynamic TE duo and go for:

Bucky Hodges (TE)
David Njoku (TE)

I think it's' obvious that the Chiefs need to look for more at OG, so these guys are definitely going to be in the thought process:

Cam Robinson (OT/OG)
Dan Feeney (OG)
Forrest Lamp (OG)

Although I think the Chiefs should look to extend Terrance Mitchell, they might look to go for another big press type corner:

Cordrea Tankersley (CB)
Gareon Conley (CB)
Quincy Wilson (CB)
Marlon Humphrey (CB)

Depending on what happens with Berry, I think safety could be in play plus Ron Parker isn't getting younger, so:

Desmond King (CB/FS)
Marcus Wiliams (FS)
Budda Baker (FS)

Chiefs need a QBOTF, so....

Patrick Mahomes (QB)
DeShaun Watson (QB) - And I don't really see him falling

And, if they look at the pass rush last year, Ford got better but really dropped off as the season wore on and Houston hasn't been healthy, so it might be something to look at:

T.J. Watt (OLB)
Charles Harris (OLB)

kccrow · 02-13-2017, 06:13 PM

Here's some additional food for thought, since you have to be slightly forward looking as well...

2018 Scheduled Free Agents (Most Notable)

Jaye Howard - 34DE
Terrance Mitchell - CB
Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff - RG
Dee Ford - OLB (Option, currently about $7.8 m)
Phillip Gaines - CB
Ramik Wilson - ILB
Rakeem Nunez-Roches - 34DE
Justin March-Lillard - ILB
Zach Fulton - OC/G
Anthony Sherman - FB
De'Anthony Thomas - RB/SR
Jamaal Charles - RB (may be 2017 cap casualty)
Nick Foles - QB (may be 2017 cap casualty)
Dustin Colquitt - P
Terrance Smith - ILB
Tyler Bray - QB
Kenneth Acker - CB

Also add in likely retirements of Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson after 2017 season.

Seems to be heavily looking at ILB, CB, OG, RB, QB, 34DE, and OLB, which coincides well with perceived needs in 2017 (add in S perhaps).

**SAUTO** · 02-13-2017, 06:17 PM

When do we have to pick up fords option?

kccrow · 02-13-2017, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

When do we have to pick up fords option?

next offseason

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-13-2017, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

Do you take a QB that needs a year or so to develop when you have a 33 year old QB with 2 years left on his contract? Or, do you just hope that you can somehow trade into the top 5 in a season or two for a guy, likely foregoing one to two seasons in the future due to lost picks from the trade?

Why does everyone think a QB has to be drafted in rd 1 to be a potential replacement ? With good scouting which we have you can nail a playmaker nearly every time in the 1st round with exception to the QB position. Drafting QBs is a crap shoot except for once every 10 years a no brainer is there and then he gets taken in the top 5. If you're a good team and always drafting at the 25 spot then you have to give up your entire draft to move that high.

kccrow · 02-13-2017, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Why does everyone think a QB has to be drafted in rd 1 to be a potential replacement ? With good scouting which we have you can nail a playmaker nearly every time in the 1st round with exception to the QB position. Drafting QBs is a crap shoot except for once every 10 years a no brainer is there and then he gets taken in the top 5. If you're a good team and always drafting at the 25 spot then you have to give up your entire draft to move that high.

A QB doesn't have to be drafted in round 1. The ones that show any promise whatsoever, more than holding a clipboard for the next 10 years, tend to be drafted in round 1. It is the one position in the sport that is over-drafted, significantly, every single year.

There is not a true 1st round QB in this year's draft, if you want to be extremely realistic about their value within their position versus that in other positions. At best, most are actually second round talents.

That said, if you want that 2nd round talent, and you're a team picking at the bottom of the round, there isn't a chance that guy is there outside the top 10 or so picks of the 2nd round. And that's what is left of any that didn't get snatched up in round 1 already because NFL teams or so insanely desperate to find QBs.

I would bet that one of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, or Mahomes will be there at 27, but I doubt more than one of those are. After those 4, there is a significant drop-off in talent and potential with the closest being either Peterman, an Alex Smith-esque player with seemingly limited upside, or Webb, a less accurate Nick Foles clone.

So, you almost have to take a shot early and hope, or you do it next year in the same type of situation. It's not really a matter of if you should toss a first at a QB and hope you strike gold, it's when. This year's group has some potential but all of them are young and need refinement. Not a bad time to jump for a bottom of the round team with an established starter to give them time.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-14-2017, 08:24 AM

We could have taken Brock Osweiller or Paxton Lynch and set ourselves back for years.

Direckshun · 02-14-2017, 08:56 AM

Kccrow,

There are some insanely stupid whispers suggesting Kizer falls to the 2nd round.

You take him at 27?

kcchiefsus · 02-14-2017, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

We could have taken Brock Osweiller or Paxton Lynch and set ourselves back for years.

Why does that set us back for years? Teams draft busts all the time in the 1st round. It only sets you back for years if you refuse to move on and find someone else.

I can tell you're a member of the true fan brigade.

**The Franchise** · 02-14-2017, 09:41 AM

If Mahomes or Kizer are there at 27....you have to take either one of them.

RunKC · 02-14-2017, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Kccrow,

There are some insanely stupid whispers suggesting Kizer falls to the 2nd round.

You take him at 27?

I can't remember if this was SI or Matt Miller's scouting notebook, but I read that scouts believe Kizer needs at least 2 years to learn.

If true, Mahommes is gonna pass him up and he'll fall down the board.

02-13-2017, 02:14 PM
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1829040	Post your short list (realistic) for 27 1. Patrick Mahomes 2. Jarrad Davis 3. Haason Reddick 4. Christian McCaffrey 5. Alvin Kamara 6. John Ross I feel pretty confident that barring Berry leaving, we will be going QB, ILB, or RB at 27. Last edited by staylor26; 02-13-2017 at 02:20 PM..
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02-13-2017, 03:06 PM	#2
Urc Burry Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Casino cash: $9041048	Mahomes/Watson Jarrad Davis/Zach Cunningham Sidney Jones/Teez Tabor Budda Baker I wouldn't be opposed to a WR like Ross. But feel like we are good enough there. I'm all in for a QB, but it's tough to tell how that is going to fall on draft day. I've said before Budda Baker is my official draft crush. I think he's the honey badger 2.0. He can play anywhere in the secondary and just makes plays. Everyone talks about Berry being a FA, but we also need to remember Ron Parker is now 30. And his contract is easy to get out of when his play slips Last edited by Urc Burry; 02-13-2017 at 03:14 PM..
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02-13-2017, 04:33 PM	#3
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02-13-2017, 05:19 PM	#5
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3277078	How short of a list? Here's some thoughts... If KC doesn't address inside linebacker during free agency nor via trade, some serious thought will go into all of these guys: Haason Reddick (OLB/ILB) Zach Cunningham (ILB) Raekwon McMillan (ILB) Jarrad Davis (ILB) Although I doubt the Chiefs look at receivers early, they could be wondering about the future of Maclin at this point so I'd say: John Ross (WR) Curtis Samuel (WR) Cooper Kupp (WR) The Chiefs might look to boast a true dynamic TE duo and go for: Bucky Hodges (TE) David Njoku (TE) I think it's' obvious that the Chiefs need to look for more at OG, so these guys are definitely going to be in the thought process: Cam Robinson (OT/OG) Dan Feeney (OG) Forrest Lamp (OG) Although I think the Chiefs should look to extend Terrance Mitchell, they might look to go for another big press type corner: Cordrea Tankersley (CB) Gareon Conley (CB) Quincy Wilson (CB) Marlon Humphrey (CB) Depending on what happens with Berry, I think safety could be in play plus Ron Parker isn't getting younger, so: Desmond King (CB/FS) Marcus Wiliams (FS) Budda Baker (FS) Chiefs need a QBOTF, so.... Patrick Mahomes (QB) DeShaun Watson (QB) - And I don't really see him falling And, if they look at the pass rush last year, Ford got better but really dropped off as the season wore on and Houston hasn't been healthy, so it might be something to look at: T.J. Watt (OLB) Charles Harris (OLB)
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02-13-2017, 06:13 PM	#6
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3277078	Here's some additional food for thought, since you have to be slightly forward looking as well... 2018 Scheduled Free Agents (Most Notable) Jaye Howard - 34DE Terrance Mitchell - CB Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff - RG Dee Ford - OLB (Option, currently about $7.8 m) Phillip Gaines - CB Ramik Wilson - ILB Rakeem Nunez-Roches - 34DE Justin March-Lillard - ILB Zach Fulton - OC/G Anthony Sherman - FB De'Anthony Thomas - RB/SR Jamaal Charles - RB (may be 2017 cap casualty) Nick Foles - QB (may be 2017 cap casualty) Dustin Colquitt - P Terrance Smith - ILB Tyler Bray - QB Kenneth Acker - CB Also add in likely retirements of Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson after 2017 season. Seems to be heavily looking at ILB, CB, OG, RB, QB, 34DE, and OLB, which coincides well with perceived needs in 2017 (add in S perhaps).
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02-13-2017, 06:17 PM	#7
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	When do we have to pick up fords option?
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02-14-2017, 08:24 AM	#11
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1740477	We could have taken Brock Osweiller or Paxton Lynch and set ourselves back for years.
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02-14-2017, 08:56 AM	#12
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	Kccrow, There are some insanely stupid whispers suggesting Kizer falls to the 2nd round. You take him at 27?
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02-14-2017, 09:41 AM	#14
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