Chiefs Chris Ivory up for grabs

The Poz · 04-13-2013, 11:37 AM

Injury concerns? Yes.
Incredible gifted power runner? Yes.
If healthy, a great compliment to Jamal? Yes.
Would you trade a 4th or 5th for him? ***Insert your answer here***

"ESPN New York reports the Saints are indeed interested in trading restricted free agent Chris Ivory.
It's a key factor because New Orleans has held steadfastly to Ivory's rights to this point in his career despite underutilizing him, seemingly instead preferring to stash his talent. GM Mickey Loomis likely now realizes Ivory is headed for unrestricted free agency in 2014 and the Saints' best chance of receiving draft-pick compensation for him is now. ESPN New York's Rich Cimini suspects New Orleans would part with Ivory in exchange for a fourth-round pick."

BlackHelicopters · 04-13-2013, 11:39 AM

No. Thanks.

**Bowser** · 04-13-2013, 11:40 AM

I wanted to pick him up a couple of seasons ago when he was a FA. Kinda just 'meh' on him now.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-13-2013, 11:44 AM

If we don't resign Hillis....

I kee-d, I kee-d!!!

Brock · 04-13-2013, 11:46 AM

I'd much rather have him for nothing.

a pp roach · 04-13-2013, 12:46 PM

sure, 5th for ivory. **** it.

**Rain Man** · 04-13-2013, 12:48 PM

Seems like a good backup for a 4th, though I'd rather pay a 5th.

Hootie · 04-13-2013, 12:54 PM

I'd ship a 5th for him no problem. He's good. I think he's the best Saints running back.

**Rain Man** · 04-13-2013, 01:14 PM

Our fourth-round picks for the past 20 years, sorted in very rough order by NFL career success. The median guy is Donald Washington, and we have gotten a couple of gems.

Jared Allen
Donnie Edwards
Bracey Walker
Monty Beisel
Greg Favors
Samie Parker
Jaime Fields
Jalil Brown (Grade pending)
Larry Parker
Donald Washington
Steve Stenstrom
Devon Wylie (Grade pending)
Omar Easy
Will Franklin
Craphonso Thorpe
Frank Moreau
George Layne
Pat Barnes
Brett Williams

Our fifth-round picks for the past 20 years, sorted in very rough order by NFL career success. The median guy is Ricky Stanzi (grade pending).

Dante Hall
Joe Horn
Scott Fujita
Brandon Carr
Kendrick Lewis
Jordan Black
Derrick Blaylock
Patrick Dennis
Boomer Grigsby
Justin Medlock
Rob Waldrop
Cameron Sheffield
Ricky Stanzi (Grade pending)
Robert Williams
Lindsey Knapp
Gabe Miller (Grade pending)
DeQuan Menzie (Grade pending)
Billy Baber
James Burton
Mike Pelton
June Henley
Colin Brown
Jarrott Willard
Alphonso Hodge
Marcus Maxey

I initially did this because I figured the 4th round would have produced more legitimate roster guys than the 5th round, but the truth is there's not much difference. Five of 19 guys in the fourth round had long careers, and 2 were starters. It looks like 7 of 25 fifth-rounders had long careers, with five of them starting.

So I guess I'm wrong that the 4th round is a lot better than the 5th round. Maybe we should always trade our 4th round pick for a 5th and 7th or something.

Hootie · 04-13-2013, 01:17 PM

Mr. Rain Man,

I've been making that point for years and years and years and years.

4th-7th round picks don't mean anything...they are simply roster filler picks with a 3 quarter shot swish chance of being a Jared Allen.

which is why I LOL LOL LOL at the drafturbators when they start crying about trading a future 7th round pick to trade back into the 7th round to draft Jake O'Connell

it's the most ridiculous bitching in the history of bitching

bitch about your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks...

don't cry about anything after that...just sit back, relax, and enjoy a DELICIOUS MILLER LITE

**Rain Man** · 04-13-2013, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Mr. Rain Man,

I've been making that point for years and years and years and years.

4th-7th round picks don't mean anything...they are simply roster filler picks with a 3 quarter shot swish chance of being a Jared Allen.

which is why I LOL LOL LOL at the drafturbators when they start crying about trading a future 7th round pick to trade back into the 7th round to draft Jake O'Connell

it's the most ridiculous bitching in the history of bitching

bitch about your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks...

don't cry about anything after that...just sit back, relax, and enjoy a DELICIOUS MILLER LITE

Now I want to do more analysis. Maybe you should always trade down on these picks and try to get more chances to win.

It seems like 7th round picks very rarely make it, though. I wonder if the system only works to a certain point.

Hootie · 04-13-2013, 01:30 PM

what you should do is trade all of your 5th round picks for 4th round picks one year...and then the next year trade those 4th round picks for 3rd round picks

rinse, wash, repeat

Bump · 04-13-2013, 01:31 PM

no thanks. I'd rather get a guy that's similar in style to JC than go with some power + speed combo that keeps you predictable.

houstonwhodat · 04-13-2013, 03:34 PM

The Saints need him, he's much better than Mark Ingram.

A good one two punch is Pierre Thomas & Chris Ivory.

If you have a chance to sign him and need a bruising RB get him.

We don't want him in the NFC South if he doesn't resign with the Saints.

04-13-2013, 11:37 AM
The Poz Enjoyer of things Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Casino cash: $10012210	Chris Ivory up for grabs Injury concerns? Yes. Incredible gifted power runner? Yes. If healthy, a great compliment to Jamal? Yes. Would you trade a 4th or 5th for him? *Insert your answer here* "ESPN New York reports the Saints are indeed interested in trading restricted free agent Chris Ivory. It's a key factor because New Orleans has held steadfastly to Ivory's rights to this point in his career despite underutilizing him, seemingly instead preferring to stash his talent. GM Mickey Loomis likely now realizes Ivory is headed for unrestricted free agency in 2014 and the Saints' best chance of receiving draft-pick compensation for him is now. ESPN New York's Rich Cimini suspects New Orleans would part with Ivory in exchange for a fourth-round pick."
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04-13-2013, 11:39 AM	#2
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04-13-2013, 11:40 AM	#3
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04-13-2013, 11:44 AM	#4
Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5955285	If we don't resign Hillis.... I kee-d, I kee-d!!! __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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04-13-2013, 11:46 AM	#5
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	I'd much rather have him for nothing.
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04-13-2013, 12:46 PM	#6
a pp roach Veteran Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10010545	sure, 5th for ivory. **** it.
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04-13-2013, 12:48 PM	#7
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3418491 VARSITY	Seems like a good backup for a 4th, though I'd rather pay a 5th. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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04-13-2013, 12:54 PM	#8
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'd ship a 5th for him no problem. He's good. I think he's the best Saints running back.
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04-13-2013, 01:14 PM	#9
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3418491 VARSITY	Our fourth-round picks for the past 20 years, sorted in very rough order by NFL career success. The median guy is Donald Washington, and we have gotten a couple of gems. Jared Allen Donnie Edwards Bracey Walker Monty Beisel Greg Favors Samie Parker Jaime Fields Jalil Brown (Grade pending) Larry Parker Donald Washington Steve Stenstrom Devon Wylie (Grade pending) Omar Easy Will Franklin Craphonso Thorpe Frank Moreau George Layne Pat Barnes Brett Williams Our fifth-round picks for the past 20 years, sorted in very rough order by NFL career success. The median guy is Ricky Stanzi (grade pending). Dante Hall Joe Horn Scott Fujita Brandon Carr Kendrick Lewis Jordan Black Derrick Blaylock Patrick Dennis Boomer Grigsby Justin Medlock Rob Waldrop Cameron Sheffield Ricky Stanzi (Grade pending) Robert Williams Lindsey Knapp Gabe Miller (Grade pending) DeQuan Menzie (Grade pending) Billy Baber James Burton Mike Pelton June Henley Colin Brown Jarrott Willard Alphonso Hodge Marcus Maxey I initially did this because I figured the 4th round would have produced more legitimate roster guys than the 5th round, but the truth is there's not much difference. Five of 19 guys in the fourth round had long careers, and 2 were starters. It looks like 7 of 25 fifth-rounders had long careers, with five of them starting. So I guess I'm wrong that the 4th round is a lot better than the 5th round. Maybe we should always trade our 4th round pick for a 5th and 7th or something. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
Posts: 141,191

04-13-2013, 01:17 PM	#10
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Mr. Rain Man, I've been making that point for years and years and years and years. 4th-7th round picks don't mean anything...they are simply roster filler picks with a 3 quarter shot swish chance of being a Jared Allen. which is why I LOL LOL LOL at the drafturbators when they start crying about trading a future 7th round pick to trade back into the 7th round to draft Jake O'Connell it's the most ridiculous bitching in the history of bitching bitch about your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks... don't cry about anything after that...just sit back, relax, and enjoy a DELICIOUS MILLER LITE
Posts: 56,356

04-13-2013, 01:30 PM	#12
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	what you should do is trade all of your 5th round picks for 4th round picks one year...and then the next year trade those 4th round picks for 3rd round picks rinse, wash, repeat
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04-13-2013, 01:31 PM	#13
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $2335105	no thanks. I'd rather get a guy that's similar in style to JC than go with some power + speed combo that keeps you predictable. __________________
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04-13-2013, 03:34 PM	#14
houstonwhodat Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Parallel Universe Casino cash: $10004900	The Saints need him, he's much better than Mark Ingram. A good one two punch is Pierre Thomas & Chris Ivory. If you have a chance to sign him and need a bruising RB get him. We don't want him in the NFC South if he doesn't resign with the Saints.
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