Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 16

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**SAUTO** · 12-12-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

CAIRO 2013 v0.2’s Extremely Early and Completely Useless 2013 Projected MLB Standings

if i was you i would make sure to point that out. they only had the o's winning 74.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-12-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

if i was you i would make sure to point that out. they only had the o's winning 74.

Yeah cause they had the O's winning 69 games last year how did that work out?

duncan_idaho · 12-12-2012, 01:00 PM

Heard Eiland today saying August/September returns were what he was expecting for Duffy/Paulino. I'm sure that's a pessimistic estimate - Danny thinks he'll be back by June - but good for all of us to keep in mind.

duncan_idaho · 12-12-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Yeah cause they had the O's winning 69 games last year how did that work out?

It didn't.

The Orioles were incredibly good/lucky in one-run games. You outperformed your pythag ratings by 11 games, the most in baseball by far. It was nearly 2x as big a difference as the next-closest team (San Francisco).

16-2 in extra innings. (next closest was 11-5. 20 percent gap in WP%)
29-9 in one run games. (+10 compared to league average)

Those are ratios that are highly unlikely to be repeated. Yes, Baltimore had an excellent bullpen in 2012... but even a LITTLE slippage from that group could blow up a lot of what made Baltimore's

It's perfectly possible Baltimore will win just as much in 2013, but the O's would need to be a much better team to do that. It's also possible the O's are actually BETTER in 2013 than 2012 but have a worse record.

Cephalic Trauma · 12-12-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Yeah cause they had the O's winning 69 games last year how did that work out?

Stick to twitter and the orioles repository thread. You can't even type a grammatically correct sentence.

sedated · 12-12-2012, 01:33 PM

No need to throw out legitimate stats, trolls don’t like stats.

I’m beginning to think C&O is really an Indians/Tigers/White Sox fan. Why else spend so much time annoying Royals fans?

Paniero · 12-12-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Stick to twitter and the orioles repository thread. You can't even type a grammatically correct sentence.

Mr. Trauma, where's the subject in your first incomplete sentence? Orioles is a proper noun, yet you didn't capitalize it. It is also possessive in the manner used, but you didn't include the appropriate apostrophe.

Go Royals! GTFO if it isn't a worthy post.

BWillie · 12-12-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Stick to twitter and the orioles repository thread. You can't even type a grammatically correct sentence.

Grammar police coming to lay the hammer down on a message board!

Nothing I hate more than when ppl moan about grammar on a message board. In this day and age, most ppl are posting on a cell phone. As long as they get the point across, who cares if it's grammatically correct. You ain't gettin' graded on an essay here.

**Saul Good** · 12-12-2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paniero

Mr. Trauma, where's the subject in your first incomplete sentence? Orioles is a proper noun, yet you didn't capitalize it. It is also possessive in the manner used, but you didn't include the appropriate apostrophe.

Go Royals! GTFO if it isn't a worthy post.

Fail

Silock · 12-12-2012, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paniero

Mr. Trauma, where's the subject in your first incomplete sentence? Orioles is a proper noun, yet you didn't capitalize it. It is also possessive in the manner used, but you didn't include the appropriate apostrophe.

Go Royals! GTFO if it isn't a worthy post.

The subject is "you," as the first sentence is a command. That part is grammatically correct.

BigCatDaddy · 12-12-2012, 02:13 PM

This thread is starting to already develop a slight case of the AIDS.

tyton75 · 12-12-2012, 02:13 PM

Man, when Duffy and Paulino are back to normal, our bullpen is going to be DEEP!

**SAUTO** · 12-12-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It didn't.

The Orioles were incredibly good/lucky in one-run games. You outperformed your pythag ratings by 11 games, the most in baseball by far. It was nearly 2x as big a difference as the next-closest team (San Francisco).

16-2 in extra innings. (next closest was 11-5. 20 percent gap in WP%)
29-9 in one run games. (+10 compared to league average)

Those are ratios that are highly unlikely to be repeated. Yes, Baltimore had an excellent bullpen in 2012... but even a LITTLE slippage from that group could blow up a lot of what made Baltimore's

It's perfectly possible Baltimore will win just as much in 2013, but the O's would need to be a much better team to do that. It's also possible the O's are actually BETTER in 2013 than 2012 but have a worse record.

no need for common sense, he doesnt understand it

Ceej · 12-12-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

no need for common sense, he doesnt understand it

Yup. When he gets his shit pushed in he randomly and conveniently disappears.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-12-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles

Yup. When he gets his shit pushed in he randomly and conveniently disappears.

Nope we will see in 2013 what happens. No need to talk about it.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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