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Old 04-02-2014, 09:19 AM   #121
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#Chiefs salary cap stands at $4,517,069.00 as of 6am. So any deals will likely be vet minimium. Rookie cap around $3.9 mil.
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:20 AM   #122
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I get it.

You're fine with trading 2 premium picks to achieve respectability.

I'm not.

Go all in to win, or all in to rebuild.

This plan is half assed.
Sure as hell IS! Do what they did to reel the fans back. The only people who don't understand this are the one's who don't want to...
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:21 AM   #123
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#Chiefs salary cap stands at $4,517,069.00 as of 6am. So any deals will likely be vet minimium. Rookie cap around $3.9 mil.
Shit, the only guys left are the vets who are only worth the minimum so...
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:22 AM   #124
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#Chiefs salary cap stands at $4,517,069.00 as of 6am. So any deals will likely be vet minimium. Rookie cap around $3.9 mil.
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You do realize we have one of the highest paid coaches in the league...
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:29 AM   #126
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You do realize we have one of the highest paid coaches in the league...
... and an owner who apparently is either a) unwilling; b) unable to use signing bonuses aggressively to bring in talent and manipulate/work around the salary cap.
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... and an owner who apparently is either a) unwilling; b) unable to use signing bonuses aggressively to bring in talent and manipulate/work around the salary cap.
Hopefully you aren't that naive to think those are the only 2 options...
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Hopefully you aren't that naive to think those are the only 2 options...
The only two?

No, I don't think they're the only two. They're just a few of the many ways you can build a team/franchise. But they're a few that are glaringly absent from the way the Chiefs have operated.

Hopefully, you aren't naive enough to think they're building for now and trying to win now and are going to be able to IMPROVE on last year's team (which must be done to get to .500, let alone get back to the playoffs and actually have a chance to win) with a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and two 6ths, and a bunch of second-tier, cast-off, minimum FAs.
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:39 AM   #129
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Because I strongly dislike them....because their fans had #djaxtooak trending worldwide....because that is where he grew up and it was his favorite team...because it was the 'obvious' destination...because they had all the cap space that they could offer him the money he was looking for...

...and because it didn't happen in despite any of that.

That is why I LOL @ the Raiders.
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Hopefully you aren't that naive to think those are the only 2 options...
He's not. He's just stating the facts regarding those two options that happen to be used a lot by other teams who find ways to sign guys or one guy in particular that they want.
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The only two?

No, I don't think they're the only two. They're just a few of the many ways you can build a team/franchise. But they're a few that are glaringly absent from the way the Chiefs have operated.

Hopefully, you aren't naive enough to think they're building for now and trying to win now and are going to be able to IMPROVE on last year's team (which must be done to get to .500, let alone get back to the playoffs and actually have a chance to win) with a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and two 6ths, and a bunch of second-tier, cast-off, minimum FAs.
Are you basing this off your experience signing free agents and building through the draft....or is this off your experience playing Madden?

If you are basing this off your experience playing Madden, give this regime some time...1 season is too early to write them off.

Christ people...give them the benifit of the doubt.
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He's not. He's just stating the facts regarding those two options that happen to be used a lot by other teams who find ways to sign guys or one guy in particular that they want.
But.....but, you'll hamstring the cap in 2018/chiefzilla.
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He's not. He's just stating the facts regarding those two options that happen to be used a lot by other teams who find ways to sign guys or one guy in particular that they want.
Who exactly are we trying to immulate?

The Packers are hardly ever active in bundle of sticksency and last time I looked, they do okay...
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Are you basing this off your experience signing free agents and building through the draft....or is this off your experience playing Madden?

If you are basing this off your experience playing Madden, give this regime some time...1 season is too early to write them off.

Christ people...give them the benifit of the doubt.
I'm basing it off three things:

1) Being a Chiefs fan and seeing the way this franchise operates and has operated in the salary cap era. The ownership group has remained the same. We have seen three different GMs in the free agent era, and NOT ONE has been aggressive in manipulating the cap through signing bonuses to sign elite talent to fill key spots, even when in "win now" mode. They DO NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt in this arena.

2) Following the NFL closely and reading everything I can find about front-office tactics, especially roster construction (in case you hadn't noticed from the baseball threads, I follow front office moves/player acquisition tactics and strategies pretty closely). It's honestly information that's not that hard to find, if you have an interest... there's a reason some teams can always work around the cap and sign key players even without a huge amount of cap space, while the Chiefs cannot.

3) Work experience. I've never worked in an NFL front office, but I was an editor at a national sports publication, editing primarily NFL and MLB articles.

Look, I get it. Some people are willing to believe blindly in this front office because it is the Chiefs front office. Based on your man-love of Bray, it seems like you fall at least partially into that camp.

Some of us are not. Some require evidence of competence from this franchise at this point, since it has so rarely been displayed over the past four decades.
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I'm basing it off three things:

1) Being a Chiefs fan and seeing the way this franchise operates and has operated in the salary cap era. The ownership group has remained the same. We have seen three different GMs in the free agent era, and NOT ONE has been aggressive in manipulating the cap through signing bonuses to sign elite talent to fill key spots, even when in "win now" mode. They DO NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt in this arena.

2) Following the NFL closely and reading everything I can find about front-office tactics, especially roster construction (in case you hadn't noticed from the baseball threads, I follow front office moves/player acquisition tactics and strategies pretty closely). It's honestly not that hard to find... there's a reason some teams can always work around the cap and sign key players even without a huge amount of cap space, while the Chiefs cannot.

3) Work experience.

Look, I get it. Some people are willing to believe blindly in this front office because it is the Chiefs front office. Based on your man-love of Bray, it seems like you fall at least partially into that camp.

Some of us are not. Some require evidence of competence from this franchise at this point, since it has so rarely been displayed over the past four decades.
Jesus Christ...at least wait till the end of the season to pass judgement and THEN say "See if we would have spent more monies..."

We haven't played a damn game yet....hell, the draft is still 5 weeks away and everyone is writing this team off already.

It's comical all of the chicken littles in this thread...
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