'United We Stand' rally for Colin Kaepernick in NYC

[T-post Tom]

Surprised this didn't happen sooner.......


We're a couple weeks into training camp and Colin Kaepernick remains a free agent, and it's unclear if that will change in the coming weeks and months.
One explanation for Kaepernick's current situation: He hasn't been very good in recent seasons. Another take is that Kaepernick is being blackballed for his stance on social-justice issues. That's why there will be a rally at NFL headquarters in Manhattan on Aug. 23 to support the embattled quarterback, according to a tweet from filmmaker Spike Lee.

This comes three months after Kevin Livingston, the president of 100 Suits for 100 Men -- one of the organizations Kaepernick worked with earlier this year -- organized a "stand up" outside the NFL's New York City headquarters as a show of solidarity with the quarterback.
"He stood up for us," Livingston told ESPN's Michael Rothstein at the time. "It's only right that he took our issues in our communities and brought it to a national level and sacrificed salary and being ostracized by the NFL. It was only right that we stand up for him. I started this, literally, when he came to my office -- I was moved. I work with parolees. People usually want to ostracize this particular population. Me working with him on the front lines and him coming to my office, this is not the first time I've worked with him. So I thought it was only right that I stand up for him."

"We're not protesting," Livingston continued. "This is not anti-NFL. This is not going against the police. What we're doing exactly is we're showing solidarity to the league on behalf of Colin Kaepernick. This is nothing planned by him. This is all me.
"But I have to say, Colin Kaepernick really moved me when he did that for our community. And so ... the reason why I chose [NFL headquarters] is the league needs to see that Colin is being supported. And that we're buying consumers and that our dollars matter and I don't think it's fair the way he's being treated by the league. I just want to make that very clear."


Kaepernick, who played for the 49ers from 2011-2016, began last season on the bench behind Blaine Gabbert, but was reinserted into the starting lineup in mid-October. When it was over, he had started 11 games and completed 59.2 percent of his passes with 16 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also rushed 69 times for 468 yards and two scores. But according to Football Outsiders' metrics, Kaepernick ranked 30th among all quarterbacks, just ahead of Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brock Osweiler and Jared Goff.

The Seahawks showed interest in Kaepernick in May, and the Ravens appeared to close to signing him earlier this month. Nothing materialized and Kaepernick is still looking for his next opportunity.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...ernick-in-nyc/

Does Kaepernick want starter money? http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/s...-rumors-060217

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Yes, it does. You stand up, take off your hat if you are wearing one, put your hand over your heart and sing if you like to. Anything else is disrespectful.

Did they not teach you that in grade school?

Nobody on grade school ever commented about kneeling.

And a good chunk of the crowd does none of those things.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by redfriday

Colin Kaepernick is like Hillary Clinton, but his dick is smaller

fify

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Nobody on grade school ever commented about kneeling.

And a good chunk of the crowd does none of those things.

Complete and total bullshit. Now you are simply making shit up.

[Grim]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

False.

On a rainy September 13, 1814, British warships sent a downpour of shells and rockets onto Fort McHenry in Baltimore Harbor, relentlessly pounding the American fort for 25 hours. The bombardment, known as the Battle of Baltimore, came only weeks after the British had attacked Washington, D.C., burning the Capitol, the Treasury and the President's house. It was another chapter in the ongoing War of 1812.

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A week earlier, Francis Scott Key, a 35-year-old American lawyer, had boarded the flagship of the British fleet on the Chesapeake Bay in hopes of persuading the British to release a friend who had recently been arrested. Key's tactics were successful, but because he and his companions had gained knowledge of the impending attack on Baltimore, the British did not let them go. They allowed the Americans to return to their own vessel but continued guarding them. Under their scrutiny, Key watched on September 13 as the barrage of Fort McHenry began eight miles away.

"It seemed as though mother earth had opened and was vomiting shot and shell in a sheet of fire and brimstone," Key wrote later. But when darkness arrived, Key saw only red erupting in the night sky. Given the scale of the attack, he was certain the British would win. The hours passed slowly, but in the clearing smoke of "the dawn's early light" on September 14, he saw the American flag—not the British Union Jack—flying over the fort, announcing an American victory.

Key put his thoughts on paper while still on board the ship, setting his words to the tune of a popular English song. His brother-in-law, commander of a militia at Fort McHenry, read Key's work and had it distributed under the name "Defence of Fort M'Henry." The Baltimore Patriot newspaper soon printed it, and within weeks, Key's poem, now called "The Star-Spangled Banner," appeared in print across the country, immortalizing his words—and forever naming the flag it celebrated.


Nearly two centuries later, the flag that inspired Key still survives, though fragile and worn by the years. To preserve this American icon, experts at the National Museum of American History recently completed an eight-year conservation treatment with funds from Polo Ralph Lauren, The Pew Charitable Trusts and the U.S. Congress. And when the museum reopens in summer 2008, the Star-Spangled Banner will be its centerpiece, displayed in its own state-of-the-art gallery.

"The Star-Spangled Banner is a symbol of American history that ranks with the Statue of Liberty and the Charters of Freedom," says Brent D. Glass, the museum's director. "The fact that it has been entrusted to the National Museum of American History is an honor."

Started in 1996, the Star-Spangled Banner preservation project—which includes the flag's conservation and the creation of its new display in the renovated museum—was planned with the help of historians, conservators, curators, engineers and organic scientists. With the construction of the conservation lab completed in 1999, conservators began their work. Over the next several years, they clipped 1.7 million stitches from the flag to remove a linen backing that had been added in 1914, lifted debris from the flag using dry cosmetic sponges and brushed it with an acetone-water mixture to remove soils embedded in fibers. Finally, they added a sheer polyester backing to help support the flag.

"Our goal was to extend [the flag's] usable lifetime," says Suzanne Thomassen-Krauss, the conservator for the project. The intent was never to make the flag look as it did when it first flew over Fort McHenry, she says. "We didn't want to change any of the history written on the artifact by stains and soil. Those marks tell the flag's story."

While the conservators worked, the public looked on. Over the years, more than 12 million people peered into the museum's glass conservation lab, watching the progress.

"The Star-Spangled Banner resonates with people in different ways, for different reasons," says Kathleen Kendrick, curator for the Star-Spangled Banner preservation project. "It's exciting to realize that you're looking at the very same flag that Francis Scott Key saw on that September morning in 1814. But the Star-Spangled Banner is more than an artifact—it's also a national symbol. It evokes powerful emotions and ideas about what it means to be an American."


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If my statement was false then the flag would be displayed whenever the song is sung.... but it's not.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
Why is there a clause for when the flag is not displayed during the national anthem?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It is truly amazing how consistently you are on the wrong side of every single argument.

There is comfort in consistency

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Grim

If my statement was false then the flag would be displayed whenever the song is sung.... but it's not.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
Why is there a clause for when the flag is not displayed during the national anthem?

The song was written about a flag, mentions a flag and is about what that flag represents. Period. Here is a picture of the flag.

There was, in fact, a flag when Kape decided to be a stupid D-bag, and there were veterans there as well. So he did, in fact, disrespect the song, the flag and what the Vets served for. It does not matter what bullshit he said after- his cowardly actions speak for themselves, just like he intended. So **** him and anyone else that disrespects the flag or the anthem.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Yes, it does. You stand up, take off your hat if you are wearing one, put your hand over your heart and sing if you like to. Anything else is disrespectful.

Did they not teach you that in grade school?

I have never put my hand over my heart, but I've always stood and removed my hat. The only time I remember putting my hand over my heart was for the pledge of allegiance in elementary school. We never did the national anthem at school, except during football and basketball games.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Complete and total bullshit. Now you are simply making shit up.

Go to a game and tell me how many people wear hats and have their hands in their pockets, let alone waiting in line for food, beer, or the bathroom. Let alone talking during the anthem.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Details matter.

You're trying to muddy the distinction between the legal rights of citizens under the law, and American citizen's inherent right to be an asshole and cause a stink.

As I said, if YOUR argument is that black people can be emotional and litigious when displeased, have the balls to stand behind the plain assertion.

If your argument is that there is a moral or legal reason to treat political acts on company time different under at-will presumption than any other displeasure, I disagree and have outlined why.

I directly stated that it's harder to fire a black employee. I'm not hiding behind anything. I'm not arguing whether that's fair or unfair. I am stating reality.

And you keep countering with comments about legally being able to fire someone. completely dismissive of discrimination laws that open you up to lawsuit if your basis for termination aren't bulletproof, and that is especially true for commonly discriminated groups like black employees.

So again... Simple question. Is it easy to fire a black employee for non performance related issues? No. It is not easy. Simple response.

[JDKinman]

Originally Posted by mdstu

Neither the anthem or the flag has anything to do with football.

Rolling out the giant flag and playing the anthem before a football game is just as stupid as kneeling or sitting during it.

Having said that, I don't that guy anywhere near my favorite team. He's a unwanted/unneeded distraction.

Beer and hot dogs doesn't have anything to do with football. Marching bands at halftime have nothing to do with football. Tailgating has nothing to do with football.

It's called "Tradition" and the national anthem and a color guard has been a tradition in the NFL ever since I've been watching games since the '60's. And it's a tradition that honors and pays homage and respect to the sacrifices made in order to keep this nation free.

But then again, if you really want to think about it, Freedom itself has nothing to do with football.

Originally Posted by thurman merman

Word. People keep talking about Kaepernick bringing politics into this or bringing his personal problems to work as if there's not already a 100-yard long American flag and fighter jets and long, drawn-out national anthems and toasting our Bud Lites to random military members about whom we know absolutely nothing.

As a veteran who has escorted two of my buddies home under the flags that draped their coffins and then presented those flags later in a ceremony "On behalf of a grateful nation," and that are the same flags that fly during our national anthem, if you, sir, know nothing whatsoever about them, allow me to offer that the veterans--living, wounded and deceased--put their asses on the line for you, your family, your neighbors, your community and your nation.

You can choose not to respect that and that's okay with me, too. But I can choose to reciprocate, and in my case, there are more people who think and feel as I do and will raise hell with the team owner/s to make sure cancerous spoiled and entitlement-minded douchebags like Kaeperdick stay off the playing field lest we start voting heavily and frequently with our pocketbooks.

But "random military members?" No sir, they're not random. They are your neighbors, your kids, your nieces and nephews, the kids of your co-workers and more. They are not random and at present, they are doing a greater duty and service to their nation than you are.

Originally Posted by thurman merman

What if your work has 100-yard American flags draped over your office and sings the National Anthem at the beginning of each day and has fighter jets flying over?

Then those are the conditions of your workplace. If you disagree or cannot work under those conditions, you are free--thanks to the aforementioned "random veterans"--to tender your resignation and go find another job.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If you'd like to fire a black person for talking about black lives matter at work, see how far hr will let you roll with that.

Easy in Texas. Seriously. See explanation below.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

And you don't need to give a reason (good or bad), despite what chiefsilly seems to think.

I never needed to give a reason--I simply eliminated the offending employee's position. A few weeks later, I "discovered" that it was indeed a necessary or essential position, recruited, interviewed and filled it again. . . but hopefully with an employee that was more intent upon working than rabble-rousing.

JD

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Go to a game and tell me how many people wear hats and have their hands in their pockets, let alone waiting in line for food, beer, or the bathroom. Let alone talking during the anthem.

He couldn't count that high. He only has 10 fingers.

[ThaVirus]

How does someone in charge of a business fire someone without knowing they were in an essential position?

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He really is

He is a thread wrecker extraordinaire. Not only is he wrong, usually ridiculous as well, he is long-winded about it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Go to a game and tell me how many people wear hats and have their hands in their pockets, let alone waiting in line for food, beer, or the bathroom. Let alone talking during the anthem.

I go to games dipshit, football, baseball, as well as many running events every year that they play the Anthem at, and rarely do I ever see anyone not showing their respect and I never seen anyone sitting.

And standing in line in the concourse is not being "present" during the Anthem and does not fall under the guidelines for decorum.

You need to do some research on your own before spouting your yap and posting bullshit.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I go to games dipshit, football, baseball, as well as many running events every year that they play the Anthem at, and rarely do I ever see anyone not showing their respect and I never seen anyone sitting.

And standing in line in the concourse is not being "present" during the Anthem and does not fall under the guidelines for decorum.

You need to do some research on your own before spouting your yap and posting bullshit.

that.

otherwise, I would've had to stand at attention during colors and the anthem on the Navy base while inside the commisary.