Chiefs Alex Smith or Jimmy Garoppolo? - Page 3

milkman · 02-04-2017, 08:56 AM

If those are your only choices, would you rather stand pat with Smith or give up a high draft pick for Garoppolo?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Dane, please tell me you're joking and aren't really advocating trading a first and change for a QB the Chiefs would need to give a sizable extension to within a year.

Haven't we watched that movie enough times the last 30+ years?

Trading for Jimmy BonoCassel would be the definition of insanity.

The question is "Smith or Garopollo".

I'll take Garopollo.

Smith has hit his ceiling and 2017 will be a wasted year with him as the starting QB.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2017, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Jimmy Garropolo
9 million in dead cap space
another contract+signing bonus

Nope. If they traded for Garropolo, they could do what the Redskins have done and Franchise Tag him for 2018.

BWillie · 02-04-2017, 10:55 AM

Alex Smith, and it's not even close.

milkman · 02-04-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Dane, please tell me you're joking and aren't really advocating trading a first and change for a QB the Chiefs would need to give a sizable extension to within a year.

Haven't we watched that movie enough times the last 30+ years?

Trading for Jimmy BonoCassel would be the definition of insanity.

I am not advocating that the Chiefs actively persue a trade.

I am discussing the potential of making that choice if they are left with the scraps of this QB class.

I have reached my breaking point with Smith, and would rather risk moving forward with Garoppolo, if those were my only options.

Chief Roundup · 02-04-2017, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'm not sure I can handle the team trading for another backup QB.

Jimmy Bono Grbac Cassel Smith can go get over paid elsewhere.

Step 1: trade Alex Smith to the Jets
Step 2: trade/cut Foles
Step 3: trade for Romo
Step 4: trade up in the first round of the draft for a QB
Step 5: bolster the defense with the remaining picks

Contradict yourself much?
Trading for Romo would be the stupidest thing ever.

NJChiefsFan · 02-04-2017, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Who's the last backup QB a team traded for who won a Super Bowl?

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In 2018 the answer to this question will be Tony Romo, Chiefs, 2017.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-04-2017, 11:03 AM

No to Garoppolo.

I don't see any point in doing it. And I'm tired of trading for other people's retreads let alone Patriot retreads who have consistently failed on other teams. Alex Smith has 2 years left and I'd be shocked if we extended him. At worst, we have to deal with him for 2 more years.

It's not the worst thing in the world to have Alex Smith as a QB if it's only a short time. He gives the Chiefs and outside chance at a Super Bowl which is more than you can say about most QBs. But we need to fight like hell this year to draft a QB we believe is a QBOTF. The ideal scenario for me is to get Deshaun Watson even if it means a trade-up, then spend the next 2 years developing him. Judging by Dorsey and Reid's tone, it sounds like they understand the urgency to bring in a good young QB.

**BossChief** · 02-04-2017, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Contradict yourself much?
Trading for Romo would be the stupidest thing ever.

Tony Romo is t even close to a guy that should be rightfully labeled a backup.

He has had a full year for his back to heal and is a legit top 5 QB when healthy.

Another big factor in trading for him is that his contract contains no guaranteed money and is very reasonable for 3 years.

If we trade for him and he gets hurt, he can be cut with no dead money.

It's essentially a low risk/huge reward roll of the dice.

Trading for Romo and drafting a QB high in the draft is absolutely the right move.

Chief Roundup · 02-04-2017, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Tony Romo is t even close to a guy that should be rightfully labeled a backup.

He has had a full year for his back to heal and is a legit top 5 QB when healthy.

Another big factor in trading for him is that his contract contains no guaranteed money and is very reasonable for 3 years.

If we trade for him and he gets hurt, he can be cut with no dead money.

It's essentially a low risk/huge reward roll of the dice.

Trading for Romo and drafting a QB high in the draft is absolutely the right move.

Romo is most definitely a backup at best. The Cowboys left him in that backup roll after he was healthy for a rookie late round draft pick. A team that hast stood by him with his glaring flaws. They have gotten a chance to move on from him and will do it faster than someone playing hot potato. He is not a top 5 QB in this league. He has not been able to lead that team anywhere when a late round rookie QB has. He has not been much more than a choker that cannot stay healthy.

Coogs · 02-04-2017, 11:13 AM

At this point in time both Boss and Pest's scenarios have to be considered as options. I am in favor of either of those two. If, in time, neither of those options pan out and we are left with MM's scenario, I'd stay with Smith. Draft Mahomes or Watson, and have an honest to God QB competition in training camp.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2017, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

At this point in time both Boss and Pest's scenarios have to be considered as options. I am in favor of either of those two. If, in time, neither of those options pan out and we are left with MM's scenario, I'd stay with Smith. Draft Mahomes or Watson, and have an honest to God QB competition in training camp.

Watson and Mahomes are both at least a year away from being an NFL starter and I have my doubts that Watson will ever become an effective NFL starter.

Some of you guys are acting as if Mahomes and some of the other QB's are absolutely "Locks" to become Elite QB's.

That's not even close to being the case.

Rasputin · 02-04-2017, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

This is what I think.

I haven't watched much college football over the past couple of season, so I can not offer any opinions on the QBs available in this draft.

However, from what I'm reading from the people whose opinions I value, the QB who seems to have a high ceiling that might be available within the Chiefs range in this draft is Pat Mahomes, so if we could land him, I'd be all for it.

If, however, he moved up the boards after the combines and workouts, then I would rather trade for Garroplo than stand pat with Smith.

I would then try to extend him to a deal that makes his contract expendable after 2 years, so that if he proves to be a bust, the team can move on from.

That way, the risk in trading for Garapollo is no greater than drafting a QB.

Drafting a quarterback wouldn't go against our cap space but trading for a guy and giving a new contract would so I'm going say no.

I just care about drafting our own for a change.

Coogs · 02-04-2017, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Watson and Mahomes are both at least a year away from being an NFL starter and I have my doubts that Watson will ever become an effective NFL starter.

Some of you guys are acting as if Mahomes and some of the other QB's are absolutely "Locks" to become Elite QB's.

That's not even close to being the case.

I am no QB guru by any stretch. I have just seen both of those 2 play several games, and they both played well in the games I saw. I've only watched ND, NC, and Miami play once this past year, and was underwhelmed by those 3 QB's the games I saw.

farmerchief · 02-04-2017, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

If those are your only choices, would you rather stand pat with Smith or give up a high draft pick for Garoppolo?

A straight up trade, yep, I would be interested. Giving up a high draft pick, nope, Id pass.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-04-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I am no QB guru by any stretch. I have just seen both of those 2 play several games, and they both played well in the games I saw. I've only watched ND, NC, and Miami play once this past year, and was underwhelmed by those 3 QB's the games I saw.

I don't know what your definition of "playing well" is but there's an ongoing discussion about Watson in the Draft Forum where most people are seeing eye to eye with Watson's deficiencies and questions.

As far as Mahomes, he's extremely raw, way rawer than Ryan Tannehill (which is probably his ceiling at this point). He played in the Big 12 so he faced crap defenses, so he can't read defenses and played in the Air Raid. He has serious upside, but the question is "Can and when will he reach it?".

None of these guys are Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz or Dak Prescott, et al.

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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2204497	No to Garoppolo. I don't see any point in doing it. And I'm tired of trading for other people's retreads let alone Patriot retreads who have consistently failed on other teams. Alex Smith has 2 years left and I'd be shocked if we extended him. At worst, we have to deal with him for 2 more years. It's not the worst thing in the world to have Alex Smith as a QB if it's only a short time. He gives the Chiefs and outside chance at a Super Bowl which is more than you can say about most QBs. But we need to fight like hell this year to draft a QB we believe is a QBOTF. The ideal scenario for me is to get Deshaun Watson even if it means a trade-up, then spend the next 2 years developing him. Judging by Dorsey and Reid's tone, it sounds like they understand the urgency to bring in a good young QB.
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02-04-2017, 11:13 AM	#40
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1704349	At this point in time both Boss and Pest's scenarios have to be considered as options. I am in favor of either of those two. If, in time, neither of those options pan out and we are left with MM's scenario, I'd stay with Smith. Draft Mahomes or Watson, and have an honest to God QB competition in training camp.
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