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vailpass · 04-28-2017, 09:57 AM

Nike, Under Armour, Adidas not interested in deal with Lonzo Ball

An endorsement deal with Nike, Under Armour or Adidas is not in the cards for Lonzo Ball.

Ball's father, LaVar, confirmed that the three shoe and apparel companies informed him that they were not interested in completing a deal with his son. Sources with the three companies told ESPN.com that they indeed were moving on.

Never in the history of modern-day shoe endorsements have the big companies all stepped away from a potential top pick nearly two months before the NBA draft. But LaVar, who has been representing Lonzo in the deal, has offered something that has no precedent.

In his meetings with all three companies, LaVar insisted that they license his upstart Big Baller Brand from him. He also showed the companies a shoe prototype that he hoped would be Lonzo's first shoe.

"We've said from the beginning, we aren't looking for an endorsement deal," LaVar told ESPN. "We're looking for co-branding, a true partner. But they're not ready for that because they're not used to that model. But hey, the taxi industry wasn't ready for Uber, either."

Last week, Nike consultant George Raveling, at SportsBusiness Journal's World Congress of Sports, called LaVar "the worst thing to happen to basketball in the last hundred years."

The way LaVar sees it, Raveling's comment is indicative of what longtime businesspeople say when the way of doing things is changed.

"Just imagine how rich Tiger [Woods], Kobe [Bryant], Serena [Williams], [Michael] Jordan and LeBron [James] would have been if they dared to do their own thing," LaVar said. "No one owned their own brand before they turned pro. We do, and I have three sons, so it's that much more valuable."

Lonzo declared for the draft after one season at UCLA. LaVar's other sons have also committed to UCLA, including LiAngelo, who arrives on campus this year, and LaMelo, who just finished his sophomore season in high school.

Ball would not disclose how big the Big Baller Brand has become -- the company sells hats and T-shirts ranging from $38 to $100 on its website -- but he said that current sales numbers shouldn't have been on the mind of the shoe companies.

"When Facebook bought WhatsApp for $19 billion, those guys weren't profitable," LaVar said.

Now that the traditional shoe companies are out, Ball said he will reach out to the Chinese brands, which include Peak, Li-Ning and Anta, and he's not counting out taking on an entrepreneurial partner outside the business.

"That includes Facebook," he said.

Ball said he did indeed have a shoe prototype for Lonzo's first shoe.

"We're not going to sign with a company and then wait around for five or six years for a shoe like Paul George had to wait for with Nike," Ball said.

When asked how long he has been working on the design of Lonzo's shoe, Ball said, "I've been working on that shoe ever since my boys were born."

eDave · 05-17-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ugh.

I'm going to have to deal with this asshole as a Laker's fan for the next decade.

Seriously, if I'm the Lakers I call Philly (who now has the rights to LA's pick next year) and ask them if they'd give us the 3 and the rights to next year's pick back so they can move up to 2. Philly needs a PG as bad as anyone and they'd have to consider it.

Lavar Ball will wreck Lonzo's chances at a successful career in LA. It's too close to his home turf, there's too much attention. Lavar will sabotage Lonzo and derail the whole damn franchise in the process.

Send him to a blue-collar town like Philly and he might have a decent career (he and Ben Simmons would be a really fun combination of guys with amazing floor vision and shit-tastic jump shots). The Lakers could slide to 3 and take Jackson or Fox; guys that have nowhere near the upside of Ball but at least don't bring his ****stain father along for the ride.

They can't make him work in LA. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

By design.

**The Franchise** · 05-17-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ugh.

I'm going to have to deal with this asshole as a Laker's fan for the next decade.

Seriously, if I'm the Lakers I call Philly (who now has the rights to LA's pick next year) and ask them if they'd give us the 3 and the rights to next year's pick back so they can move up to 2. Philly needs a PG as bad as anyone and they'd have to consider it.

Lavar Ball will wreck Lonzo's chances at a successful career in LA. It's too close to his home turf, there's too much attention. Lavar will sabotage Lonzo and derail the whole damn franchise in the process.

Send him to a blue-collar town like Philly and he might have a decent career (he and Ben Simmons would be a really fun combination of guys with amazing floor vision and shit-tastic jump shots). The Lakers could slide to 3 and take Jackson or Fox; guys that have nowhere near the upside of Ball but at least don't bring his ****stain father along for the ride.

They can't make him work in LA. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Well I'm glad that Phoenix won't have a shot at drafting him.

I think it would be ****ing hilarious if the Lakers passed on drafting him. That would be quality TV.

DJ's left nut · 05-17-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Well I'm glad that Phoenix won't have a shot at drafting him.

I think it would be ****ing hilarious if the Lakers passed on drafting him. That would be quality TV.

They won't. If they're at 2, they're taking him.

I'm just trying to come up with creative solutions that would prevent me from having to root for that mother****er. How about the #2 and Randle to the Celtics for the #1 overall?

And here's what I just don't get about Lakers fans - you should see how many of these people want to give up the #2, Randle AND Ingram for Paul ****ing George. PAUL GEORGE!?!?!

You know what happens when Paul George is the best player on your team? You're a .500 baseball team in a shitty conference. He's a good player but people are acting like this guy is Kobe Bryant. I don't ****ing get it.

They're so desperate to just not be shitty that they're willing to ensure that they'll never be better than 45 wins and a 1st round loss in return.

****ing Lakers fans are, by and large, goddamn reeruned.

Fish · 05-17-2017, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/05/lava...ul-women-video

Lavar Ball goes in on reporter part 1 pic.twitter.com/fA1SC7gN1O
— Frankie Vision (@Frankie_Vision) May 17, 2017

Lavar Ball goes in on Reporter part 2 pic.twitter.com/ZnfQqWww8b
— Frankie Vision (@Frankie_Vision) May 17, 2017

Lavar Ball goes in on Reporter part 3 �� pic.twitter.com/ef91OyzbqI
— Frankie Vision (@Frankie_Vision) May 17, 2017

Man, what a ****ing douche that guy is.....

DJ's left nut · 05-17-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Man, what a ****ing douche that guy is.....

You spelled "great dad" wrong...

lcarus · 05-17-2017, 05:21 PM

I hope to hell Orlando doesn't draft Ball. Even if he does turn out to be a good player. Rather have Josh Jackson.

RippedmyFlesh · 05-17-2017, 05:25 PM

LaVar Ball now wants $3 billion for shoe deal with Big Baller Brand

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/la...-baller-brand/

eDave · 05-17-2017, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

LaVar Ball now wants $3 billion for shoe deal with Big Baller Brand

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/la...-baller-brand/

Really? Wow.

RippedmyFlesh · 05-17-2017, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

Really? Wow.

Thats higher than the GNP of Fiji or Guam or Greenland

Nickel D · 05-17-2017, 06:10 PM

His dog's name is LaOozer.

**lewdog** · 05-17-2017, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Well I'm glad that Phoenix won't have a shot at drafting him.

I think it would be ****ing hilarious if the Lakers passed on drafting him. That would be quality TV.

Phoenix could use some excitement with the Suns.

Good or bad.

eDave · 05-17-2017, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

Phoenix could use some excitement with the Suns.

Good or bad.

They're still here?

**lewdog** · 05-17-2017, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

They're still here?

Exactly.

I've only been to a handful of games in my time here. Once to see Lebron.

Devin Booker is something fun to watch though.

SithCeNtZ · 05-17-2017, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

This will be an interesting thread to watch. Nike has every right to play hardball, but I agree that they are afraid of the possibilities of the "Ball Model".

So they come out being hardasses in order to paint the family as trouble. To me, these companies are threatened, hence all three companies walking away. That never happens.

10 years ago, nobody thought Cable tv would be challenged. Ever. But now, the wheels are falling off due to the ability to stream and pay for programming "I" want.

It never happens because you typically don't have a rogue person damaging their brand. I guarantee the biggest part of why the shoe companies walked away is that they told his dad he would have to shut up and stay out of it and he declined. For every story like today, his popularity declines. There are several people in this very thread who actively don't want him on their team because of his dad and his circus.

I hear people say that they are threatened, but what exactly are they threatened by? No one ever elaborates on this. Even if Ball is a perfect business man and his son is the greatest of all time, and they sell millions, what will change? The whole point of a shoe deal is knowing that 99% of people can't create a multimillion dollar business from scratch(or think they can), with the added bonus that you would have to be in the top .1% of NBA players for this to even work out in your favor(notice that he just mentions all time greats as comparisons). For literally everyone else, the shoe companies are a win win for everyone: if I suck, I still get some financial security, and if I'm great like Lebron then I still make more money than I could ever possibly spend. If this suddenly became a trend, Nike and everyone else would just sit back and laugh at the failures. Can you imagine buying Jaylen Brown shoes? What about Brandon Ingram? For every one Guy who beat the system there are 99 who were better off doing the normal shoe deal. Even the "can't miss" guys tend to not hit their peak projections more often than not.

To take your cable vs streaming analogy in a different direction, I'd argue that this is actually like me going public and announcing that I will not put my retirement money(and let's assume I'm famous and people care what I do) in some generic portfolio created by some huge company, but rather I will decide exactly what I do with each individual stock and completely bypass the middle man because screw them right? Just taking cuts of my profits. I am saying that without any experience in the stock market, I can accurately out preform billion dollar companies and am therefore better off fending for myself. Is this scenario possible? Sure, I'm sure someone somewhere has done exactly this. Are you betting on me doing it? Of course not. Am I going to bring down investment funds from the ground up by spreading my message even if I'm successful? Would investment banks be scared? Of course not, because for the vast majority of people, letting a big company handle picking stocks is a much better strategy.

**LoneWolf** · 05-17-2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ

It never happens because you typically don't have a rogue person damaging their brand. I guarantee the biggest part of why the shoe companies walked away is that they told his dad he would have to shut up and stay out of it and he declined. For every story like today, his popularity declines. There are several people in this very thread who actively don't want him on their team because of his dad and his circus.

I hear people say that they are threatened, but what exactly are they threatened by? No one ever elaborates on this. Even if Ball is a perfect business man and his son is the greatest of all time, and they sell millions, what will change? The whole point of a shoe deal is knowing that 99% of people can't create a multimillion dollar business from scratch(or think they can), with the added bonus that you would have to be in the top .1% of NBA players for this to even work out in your favor(notice that he just mentions all time greats as comparisons). For literally everyone else, the shoe companies are a win win for everyone: if I suck, I still get some financial security, and if I'm great like Lebron then I still make more money than I could ever possibly spend. If this suddenly became a trend, Nike and everyone else would just sit back and laugh at the failures. Can you imagine buying Jaylen Brown shoes? What about Brandon Ingram? For every one Guy who beat the system there are 99 who were better off doing the normal shoe deal. Even the "can't miss" guys tend to not hit their peak projections more often than not.

To take your cable vs streaming analogy in a different direction, I'd argue that this is actually like me going public and announcing that I will not put my retirement money(and let's assume I'm famous and people care what I do) in some generic portfolio created by some huge company, but rather I will decide exactly what I do with each individual stock and completely bypass the middle man because screw them right? Just taking cuts of my profits. I am saying that without any experience in the stock market, I can accurately out preform billion dollar companies and am therefore better off fending for myself. Is this scenario possible? Sure, I'm sure someone somewhere has done exactly this. Are you betting on me doing it? Of course not. Am I going to bring down investment funds from the ground up by spreading my message even if I'm successful? Would investment banks be scared? Of course not, because for the vast majority of people, letting a big company handle picking stocks is a much better strategy.

Quality post. I see you opt for the quality vs. quantity style of posting. You're the anti Clay.

04-28-2017, 09:57 AM
vailpass Psycho Bag Of Squanch Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9594244	Thanks Dad You Stupid ** Nike, Under Armour, Adidas not interested in deal with Lonzo Ball An endorsement deal with Nike, Under Armour or Adidas is not in the cards for Lonzo Ball. Ball's father, LaVar, confirmed that the three shoe and apparel companies informed him that they were not interested in completing a deal with his son. Sources with the three companies told ESPN.com that they indeed were moving on. Never in the history of modern-day shoe endorsements have the big companies all stepped away from a potential top pick nearly two months before the NBA draft. But LaVar, who has been representing Lonzo in the deal, has offered something that has no precedent. In his meetings with all three companies, LaVar insisted that they license his upstart Big Baller Brand from him. He also showed the companies a shoe prototype that he hoped would be Lonzo's first shoe. "We've said from the beginning, we aren't looking for an endorsement deal," LaVar told ESPN. "We're looking for co-branding, a true partner. But they're not ready for that because they're not used to that model. But hey, the taxi industry wasn't ready for Uber, either." Last week, Nike consultant George Raveling, at SportsBusiness Journal's World Congress of Sports, called LaVar "the worst thing to happen to basketball in the last hundred years." The way LaVar sees it, Raveling's comment is indicative of what longtime businesspeople say when the way of doing things is changed. "Just imagine how rich Tiger [Woods], Kobe [Bryant], Serena [Williams], [Michael] Jordan and LeBron [James] would have been if they dared to do their own thing," LaVar said. "No one owned their own brand before they turned pro. We do, and I have three sons, so it's that much more valuable." Lonzo declared for the draft after one season at UCLA. LaVar's other sons have also committed to UCLA, including LiAngelo, who arrives on campus this year, and LaMelo, who just finished his sophomore season in high school. Ball would not disclose how big the Big Baller Brand has become -- the company sells hats and T-shirts ranging from $38 to $100 on its website -- but he said that current sales numbers shouldn't have been on the mind of the shoe companies. "When Facebook bought WhatsApp for $19 billion, those guys weren't profitable," LaVar said. Now that the traditional shoe companies are out, Ball said he will reach out to the Chinese brands, which include Peak, Li-Ning and Anta, and he's not counting out taking on an entrepreneurial partner outside the business. "That includes Facebook," he said. Ball said he did indeed have a shoe prototype for Lonzo's first shoe. "We're not going to sign with a company and then wait around for five or six years for a shoe like Paul George had to wait for with Nike," Ball said. When asked how long he has been working on the design of Lonzo's shoe, Ball said, "I've been working on that shoe ever since my boys were born."**
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