Chiefs Justin Houston’s last year in KC? - Page 6

kcbubb · 09-21-2018, 08:41 AM

I’m not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houston’s last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isn’t there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Here’s the info on Houston’s contract. Let’s hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesn’t increase production, I think he’s gone.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/

BigBeauford · 09-21-2018, 09:54 AM

defense is 4 of our top 6 cap hits. What a joke.

Justin Houston OLB $20,600,000 11.46
Eric Fisher LT $13,950,000 7.76
Eric Berry SS $13,000,000 7.23
Travis Kelce TE $9,955,900 5.54
Dee Ford OLB $8,718,000 4.85
Allen Bailey DE $7,968,750 4.43

pugsnotdrugs19 · 09-21-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Houston has not been as bad as people are claiming. Same with Chris Jones.

Ideally I would like it if we could restructure Houston’s deal without pushing money back (convert money to guaranteed in 2019 to lower cap hit), use that money saved tofranchise Dee Ford and draft a pass rusher in the first rd. 2019 draft is stacked with excellent pass rushers.

I want to keep as many good rushers as possible

This is my thought as well. If we could stash 6-8 guys who can do a good job, we can rotate them with big leads.

TEX · 09-21-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He'll get signed for virtually nothing, teams take former first round picks and see if they can make something of them all the time...matter of fact we have 2 of those guys starting on this ****ing team...that's right up Veach's alley.

Yep. And I too labeled him a "Veach Guy" earlier in this thread... Man, I so get the whole "Low Risk - High Reward" signing, ALL GM's like those deals. The issue I have though is if you count on too many to fill positions of great need, then they become HIGH RISKS to fill all of the said needs.

O.city · 09-21-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This is my thought as well. If we could stash 6-8 guys who can do a good job, we can rotate them with big leads.

Spooky ghoul

O.city · 09-21-2018, 09:56 AM

Wonder if the cardinals would trade nkemdiche?

Eleazar · 09-21-2018, 09:56 AM

If he gets hurt again, no question he needs to go. Club/tub

Otherwise he needs to restructure into something extremely team friendly, because he's a role player at this point, and his contract was a titanic mistake.

If he won't do that, we can let him go with confidence knowing that we're probably better off drafting a replacement and giving his snaps to younger players who might ascend anyway, since the defense is rebuilding. And we won't lose much production really.

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yep. And I too labeled him a "Veach Guy" earlier in this thread... Man, I so get the whole "Low Risk - High Reward" signing, ALL GM's like those deals. The issue I have though is if you count on too many to fill positions of great need, then they become HIGH RISKS to fill the collection of said needs.

Sometimes throwing numbers at it works, you sign a guy that basically knows this is his last shot, you draft a dude relatively early to compete and then all of the sudden you might have something.

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

If he gets hurt again, no question he needs to go. Club/tub

Otherwise he needs to restructure into something extremely team friendly, because he's a role player at this point, and his contract was a titanic mistake.

If he won't do that, we can let him go with confidence knowing that we're probably better off drafting a replacement and giving his snaps to younger players who might ascend anyway, since the defense is rebuilding. And we won't lose much production really.

Yea..if you don't sign that contract though people look at you right now the way the Raiders are looked at. "That joke of a franchise won't even pay it's best player"

Not a rep you want.

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Wonder if the cardinals would trade nkemdiche?

They should trade like half their defense and anyone that has value. They are years away from competing and need pieces for Rosen...they're dumb with a defensive HC though so they won't do it.

TEX · 09-21-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Sometimes throwing numbers at it works, you sign a guy that basically knows this is his last shot, you draft a dude relatively early to compete and then all of the sudden you might have something.

Yep. The draft pick is a MUST in the situation.

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 10:04 AM

Hey Clowney is a FA after this year want him?

Think Ezekial Ansah can stand up because Detroit probably won't keep him either.

Eleazar · 09-21-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea..if you don't sign that contract though people look at you right now the way the Raiders are looked at. "That joke of a franchise won't even pay it's best player"

Not a rep you want.

He'd just be a broken down member of some other team today, and we'd all be saying that the Chiefs cut bait at the right time.

Which is something we don't often find ourselves saying.

Mecca · 09-21-2018, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

He'd just be a broken down member of some other team today, and we'd all be saying that the Chiefs cut bait at the right time.

Which is something we don't often find ourselves saying.

Had he left he'd probably still be a monster cause well yea.

Seriously though had they not paid him it would have looked horrible. The Raiders are going to be made fun of forever for that move.

RaidersOftheCellar · 09-21-2018, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford

defense is 4 of our top 6 cap hits. What a joke.

Justin Houston OLB $20,600,000 11.46
Eric Fisher LT $13,950,000 7.76
Eric Berry SS $13,000,000 7.23
Travis Kelce TE $9,955,900 5.54
Dee Ford OLB $8,718,000 4.85
Allen Bailey DE $7,968,750 4.43

That list is kind of encouraging for the future actually.

They can clear a lot of cap space to sign important pieces like Hill without getting substantially worse. Draft reasonably well/sign affordable FAs and you can replace the production you're getting now from anyone on that list minus Kelce and Berry (and Berry may not be reliable enough to keep longterm).

Eleazar · 09-21-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Had he left he'd probably still be a monster cause well yea.

Seriously though had they not paid him it would have looked horrible. The Raiders are going to be made fun of forever for that move.

Was some other team going to give him two new knees...?

09-21-2018, 08:41 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6126719	Justin Houston’s last year in KC? I’m not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houston’s last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isn’t there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Here’s the info on Houston’s contract. Let’s hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesn’t increase production, I think he’s gone. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/
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