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Old 02-15-2013, 09:06 AM  
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Jake Long not at top of FA LT list


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2. Jake Long
2012 Grade: -0.4
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Summary: Two years ago Jake Long was playing in a manner that made many hesitate when judging the Miami Dolphins for passing on Matt Ryan; the Falcons’ signal-caller was elite, but so was Jake Long at the “crucial” position of left tackle. Right now Long is just another example of the “what have you done for me lately” attitude in this league, with the Dolphins seemingly set to let him walk rather than pay him mega-bucks to hang around. Remember, two years ago Long was coming off of three consecutive seasons with a PFF grade of +30.0 or greater and was in the conversation as the league’s best left tackle.

Now, after two injury-affected seasons, Long has seen his performances and his league-wide stock slip somewhat to the extent that some may view him as damaged goods. Even so, Long is still a more than capable left tackle and with the knowledge of the “upside” of the first three years of his career it wouldn’t be a surprise to see someone take a risk on him.

Though he didn’t match his prior level this season, his issue was a couple of dodgy games in pass protection that accounted for a combined -7.4 pass protection grade, as he yielded two sacks, four hits, and four hurries to the Colts and Seahawks. If Long’s value is driven low and he can put the injuries behind him, someone could get a steal here. If not, someone could waste a lot of money on a worn down player entering a downward spiral.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:19 PM   #61
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Speculation? What's the speculation?

Matt Ryan has been an underperforming NFL QB. Period. Like Matt Stafford, he hasn't been a Franchise QB. He's led them to ONE playoff game in 5 seasons, yet the GM has bent over backwards to surround him with talent.

Unless the Falcons win the Super Bowl next year (not likely), it wouldn't surprise me to see them move on to a different QB.

Why pay Matt Ryan $15 million a year when he can't win shit?
The Falcons have allowed 30, 48, 24, 28, and 28 points in the five playoff games with Ryan at the trigger. Must be Ryan's fault they give up 32 points per game on average in the postseason even though they have scored fewer than 24 points exactly once in those five games.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:20 PM   #62
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So now Ryan is just some above average qb? This place cracks me up.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:21 PM   #63
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The Falcons have allowed 30, 48, 24, 28, and 28 points in the five playoff games with Ryan at the trigger. Must be Ryan's fault they give up 32 points per game on average in the postseason even though they have scored fewer than 24 points exactly once in those five games.
Oh, stop being a dickhead.

The point is that Atlanta has sacrificed draft choice after draft choice in order to surround Matt Ryan with talent and they've got almost nothing to show for it in five seasons.

Pretty much the same as Miami since taking Jake Long.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:22 PM   #64
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They've also gone 14-2 twice IIRC and every one of their playoff losses have come to a SB participant (Cards, Packers, Giants, 49ers).
But if you're going to compare the draft choices of Matt Ryan to Jake Long and state that Miami "did the safe thing", Atlanta should have something to show for it, right?

Right?
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:22 PM   #65
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So now Ryan is just some above average qb? This place cracks me up.
QBs who complete nearly 70% of their passes and throw for 4700 yards are yesterdays news.
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So now Ryan is just some above average qb? This place cracks me up.
Do you actually think that Matt Ryan is elite?
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:22 PM   #67
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Oh, stop being a dickhead.

The point is that Atlanta has sacrificed draft choice after draft choice in order to surround Matt Ryan with talent and they've got almost nothing to show for it in five seasons.

Pretty much the same as Miami since taking Jake Long.
Drafting players on offense is sacrificing draft choices? Are they supposed to just pick 28 defensive players and no offensive players?
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Do you actually think that Matt Ryan is elite?
Without any reservation.
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But if you're going to compare the draft choices of Matt Ryan to Jake Long and state that Miami "did the safe thing", Atlanta should have something to show for it, right?

Right?
Four playoff appearances in five seasons...all ending with poor defensive showings
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They've also gone 14-2 twice IIRC and every one of their playoff losses have come to a SB participant (Cards, Packers, Giants, 49ers).
And in winning those division titles, they've gone up against such wicked teams such as the Carolina Panthers, Tampa Bay Bucs and the declining Saints.

The bottom line is that selecting Ryan over Jake Long wouldn't have necessarily provided different results for either team.
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Four playoff appearances in five seasons...all ending with poor defensive showings
Playoff appearances mean jack shit if you do nothing.
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Without any reservation.
Agree to disagree on that one.

I think Ryan is very similar to the QB they traded: Matt Schaub.

And I don't think Schaub is elite.
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Four playoff appearances in five seasons...all ending with poor defensive showings
So maybe if they hadn't given up two first rounders, three second rounders and those fourth round picks, they could have filled their defensive holes?
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And in winning those division titles, they've gone up against such wicked teams such as the Carolina Panthers, Tampa Bay Bucs and the declining Saints.

The bottom line is that selecting Ryan over Jake Long wouldn't have necessarily provided different results for either team.
It possibly could have. How many QBs have the Dolphins drafted/signed since they drafted Jake Long?

All of those picks/money could have been spent on other positions.
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