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Old 04-25-2018, 12:04 PM  
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Shame Caren Turner Thread

I really hate it when someone plays the "do you know who i am" card...

Anyway...i'll post the video and the story....feel free to shame Caren Turner. (and yes, this needed its own thread)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vlu1FRaic


Video shows Port Authority official who abruptly resigned cursing at officers

TENAFLY, N.J. -- A Port Authority of New York and New Jersey commissioner who abruptly resigned last week was caught on camera cursing at two police officers during a traffic stop. The Tenafly Police Department released the video Tuesday showing Caren Turner attempting to pull rank on the officers.

Turner's daughter was a passenger in a car that was pulled over for an expired registration March 31. Turner was apparently called to the site of the traffic stop to pick up her daughter and her friends.

The video also shows the Democratic lobbyist becoming increasingly agitated with the responding officers.

"You're just here as the ride, right?" one officer asks Turner when she introduced herself.

"No I'm not," Turner said. "I'm here as a concerned citizen and friend of the mayor and been in Tenafly for 20 years."

When Turner asked what happened, the officer said that the driver had all of the information and that he could provide it to Turner.

"No, no, no, no, I need to know," Turner said.

"No, you don't need to know," the officer said. "You are not involved here. You're picking them up."

"No, no, no, I'm involved," Turner said. "Trust me, I'm very involved."

When she asked again why the car was pulled over, the other officer addressed Turner as "miss."

"No, don't call me miss," Turner said. "I'm commissioner. Thank you."

Turner shouted an expletive at the officers when she was told that she may take the group from the car away.

"You may not tell me when to take my child," Turner said. "You may shut the f--- up and not tell me when I may take my kid and her friends, who are Ph.D. students from MIT and Yale. You may tell me nothing."

Turner didn't return a call seeking comment.

Both the Port Authority and Tenafly Police Chief Robert Chamberlain say the video shows Turner was right to resign. She also served as the bistate agency's ethics chair.

Turner was appointed to the Port Authority last year by former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caren-t...lice-officers/
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:13 PM   #2
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:26 PM   #3
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Her methods can be offputting, but I'm not prepared to put her entirely in the wrong.

In some situations, you want a ****ING BARRACUDA in your corner in a situation like this.

These police are impounding valuable private property and refuse to discuss the matter with anyone but the naive teen who happened to be driving the car.

There is a less than zero chance that this auto is on it's way to; personal use by city officials, being held for ransom to the tune of 1000s of dollars, and even disappearing altogether.

These guys help nothing by refusing to so much as lay out chargable offenses justifying their actions.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:32 PM   #4
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Her methods can be offputting, but I'm not prepared to put her entirely in the wrong.

In some situations, you want a ****ING BARRACUDA in your corner in a situation like this.

These police are impounding valuable private property and refuse to discuss the matter with anyone but the naive teen who happened to be driving the car.

There is a less than zero chance that this auto is on it's way to; personal use by city officials, being held for ransom to the tune of 1000s of dollars, and even disappearing altogether.

These guys help nothing by refusing to so much as lay out chargable offenses justifying their actions.
If these kids in the car really were PHD students, as she claims in the video, they're in their 20's at least. If the people being charged have had the charges explained, there is no need for the officer to detail it to one of their parents at that point. If they really were teens, then I get what you're saying but I don't think that's accurate.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:39 PM   #5
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:43 PM   #6
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If these kids in the car really were PHD students, as she claims in the video, they're in their 20's at least. If the people being charged have had the charges explained, there is no need for the officer to detail it to one of their parents at that point. If they really were teens, then I get what you're saying but I don't think that's accurate.
Don't know enough about the kids to say for sure. Given her influence slinging, she may be just saying they're 'one the path' to a PhD. Not necessarily a thesis defense away.

Regardless, particularly when you aren't versed specifically in law and process, almost everyone would benefit from a versed advocate in situations like this. You're already discombobulated from the traffic stop. And this officers tosses around some jargon. But once that car is on the truck, its gone.

Its possible that there is a clear and fair process for regaining possession of your property, and its certainly possible as well that the officers have valid reasons for impounding. But it is wise not to trust that process in the moment. Civil fortfeiture is one of the most corrupt aspects of our society.

St. Louis had a big problem for years with not only LE personnel but their extended family treating the impound lot as their personal car service

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2476.asp
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Old 04-25-2018, 01:11 PM   #7
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Don't know enough about the kids to say for sure. Given her influence slinging, she may be just saying they're 'one the path' to a PhD. Not necessarily a thesis defense away.

Regardless, particularly when you aren't versed specifically in law and process, almost everyone would benefit from a versed advocate in situations like this. You're already discombobulated from the traffic stop. And this officers tosses around some jargon. But once that car is on the truck, its gone.

Its possible that there is a clear and fair process for regaining possession of your property, and its certainly possible as well that the officers have valid reasons for impounding. But it is wise not to trust that process in the moment. Civil forfeiture is one of the most corrupt aspects of our society.

St. Louis had a big problem for years with not only LE personnel but their extended family treating the impound lot as their personal car service

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2476.asp
I don't disagree with you here at all. But the taller cop did let slip, "...it's an unregistered vehicle..." towards the beginning of his conversation with Commissioner Bitch (I wouldn't want to disrespect her by calling her 'Miss' of course) and she continued on unfazed. It is a cop though so by 'unregistered' he could mean expired registration because cops will play with words to make your offense sound worse than it is when confronted. Hard to pick which one to side with but the cop does seem to be doing his job while Commissioner Bitch just seems to be trying to sling that influence you mentioned.
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I don't disagree with you here at all. But the taller cop did let slip, "...it's an unregistered vehicle..." towards the beginning of his conversation with Commissioner Bitch (I wouldn't want to disrespect her by calling her 'Miss' of course) and she continued on unfazed. It is a cop though so by 'unregistered' he could mean expired registration because cops will play with words to make your offense sound worse than it is when confronted. Hard to pick which one to side with but the cop does seem to be doing his job while Commissioner Bitch just seems to be trying to sling that influence you mentioned.
Yeah, want to be clear. I'm not saying she handled this well. But it is a different situation from, say a drunk driving or speeding Commissioner telling a cop 'I'm a Commissioner, I own your job, I'll do what I want.'

It got heated over time, but it did seem to at least start reasonably. She was called out to take custody of the passengers, and when she got there she asked what the charges underlying the action were.

It's also colorable that she was dropping her credentials to try to establish herself as a reasonable party.

ie, it could be "don't you know I'm a Commisioner? Defer to me." Or it could be "I understand you have a job to do, as a Commissioner I have supported good cops, and even attended your graduation from the police academy. So understand that I'm not asking these questions as an enemy.'

At least to start. Like I alluded earlier, the longer it went on, the less professional and more adversarial it got on both sides.
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Yeah, want to be clear. I'm not saying she handled this well. But it is a different situation from, say a drunk driving or speeding Commissioner telling a cop 'I'm a Commissioner, I own your job, I'll do what I want.'

It got heated over time, but it did seem to at least start reasonably. She was called out to take custody of the passengers, and when she got there she asked what the charges underlying the action were.

It's also colorable that she was dropping her credentials to try to establish herself as a reasonable party.

ie, it could be "don't you know I'm a Commisioner? Defer to me." Or it could be "I understand you have a job to do, as a Commissioner I have supported good cops, and even attended your graduation from the police academy. So understand that I'm not asking these questions as an enemy.'

At least to start. Like I alluded earlier, the longer it went on, the less professional and more adversarial it got on both sides.

Well, as just an average Joe Blow, I would have talked to the kid and asked what the problem was that got the car impounded before I made the trip out there. So I'm biased because I assumed that she approached the cops just to use her position as a Commissioner, to see if she could talk them out of taking the car. It seemed to me like that's how the conversation went as well.
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Her methods can be offputting, but I'm not prepared to put her entirely in the wrong.

In some situations, you want a ****ING BARRACUDA in your corner in a situation like this.

These police are impounding valuable private property and refuse to discuss the matter with anyone but the naive teen who happened to be driving the car.

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These guys help nothing by refusing to so much as lay out chargable offenses justifying their actions.
If she hadn't been such a See You Next Tuesday right from jump I"m guessing the officers would have been happy to be more forthcoming with her.
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I wouldn't have blamed the officers if they'd have tazed her right in the mouth...


A Washington lobbyist who played a leading role in raising money for Hillary Clinton's presidential runs resigned her commissionership at a top transportation agency after being caught cursing out police on video.

"You may shut the f--- up!" fumed the lobbyist, Caren Turner, at a Tenafly, New Jersey, cop during a March 31 traffic stop of a car in which Turner's daughter had been a passenger.

"You're an ass," Turner later told the officer, according to a police report released Wednesday. "Look at that smug-ass look on your face."

"I got all your information, sweetheart," Turner told the officer, referring to his name and badge number. "I got your name."

"I'm very disappointed in the way you are acting."
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