Carbohydrates and inflammation

[Buehler445]

I’ve heard a couple different places now that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet can help eliminate inflammation.

As Lewdog (very douchtacullarly) pointed out, I have arthritis. I’m wondering if eliminating carbohydrates will eliminate some inflammation. Anymore I have no idea what the **** is based in science and what is hippie bullshit. This kind of sounds like the latter, at least in my head.

It’s not something I’m super excited about, but would be willing to consider if there is a science-based good probability of materially affecting the inflammation.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Honestly, if you want to reduce inflammation I'd go vegan. You're basically eating anti-inflammatories entirely, give yourself a month or two and you'll probably feel amazing.

I've made it about a month vegan, and I have never ever felt better. Don't know why I stopped honestly.

Because you wanted a steak?

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Because you wanted a steak?

Honestly, I felt so good I didn't want one. If you make real food, and don't try to mimic meat with fake shit, it's not hard and the food is good.

I think it was just a PITA with my wife and daughter not eating that way. My wife can't eat gluten, so if I make a separate diet at home we have to pretty much make 3 different meals.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Honestly, I felt so good I didn't want one. If you make real food, and don't try to mimic meat with fake shit, it's not hard and the food is good.

I think it was just a PITA with my wife and daughter not eating that way. My wife can't eat gluten, so if I make a separate diet at home we have to pretty much make 3 different meals.

When I just eat real food and cut out all sugar and alcohol I feel awesome. I don't know if I could ever cut out all meat.

[loochy]

the carbs cause the inflamation
the meat causes the inflamation

so only eat fat?
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[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I’ve heard a couple different places now that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet can help eliminate inflammation.

As Lewdog (very douchtacullarly) pointed out, I have arthritis. I’m wondering if eliminating carbohydrates will eliminate some inflammation. Anymore I have no idea what the **** is based in science and what is hippie bullshit. This kind of sounds like the latter, at least in my head.

It’s not something I’m super excited about, but would be willing to consider if there is a science-based good probability of materially affecting the inflammation.

My allergist claims eliminating foods you specially get inflammation from, including food allergies/sensitivities can aggravate arthritis and/or create inflammation. Can only be found through blood work. Every body is different but carbs turn to sugar and sugar is commonly inflammatory.

Where's your arthritis?

Drink some aloe vera gel, a tiny bit in some water, turmeric help inflammation. Aloe Barbendensis Miller has the most active compounds for arthritis is naturally anti-inflammatory. Need at least 80% strength. MSM gels also are anti-inflammatory. Stay away from creams or gels with parabens used a preservatives. I don't care what NIH says about a little won't harm, they're in so many things it's not just a little anymore. Was a WSJ article about them where I think it was Walmart told J&J to remove them, as they were being found in people with breast and skin cancer. Lot of companies have been removing them.

[BucEyedPea]

All plants that in the nightshade family are inflammatory. Tomatoes, eggplant for two. I'd rather get tested though 'cuz it can vary from person to person.

Oh and what kind of arthritis is it? There's different kinds.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by dwwataz

I had pizza for dinner. I then took my hydrocodone, gabepentin, and Aleve. I don't know if the inflammation went down but I feel better than I did before I ate pizza.

It was pepperoni in case you were wondering

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by loochy

the carbs cause the inflamation
the meat causes the inflamation

so only eat fat?
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The Mrs. Sprat Diet?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

My allergist claims eliminating foods you specially get inflammation from, including food allergies/sensitivities can aggravate arthritis and/or create inflammation. Can only be found through blood work. Every body is different but carbs turn to sugar and sugar is commonly inflammatory.

Where's your arthritis?

Drink some aloe vera gel, a tiny bit in some water, turmeric help inflammation. Aloe Barbendensis Miller has the most active compounds for arthritis is naturally anti-inflammatory. Need at least 80% strength. MSM gels also are anti-inflammatory. Stay away from creams or gels with parabens used a preservatives. I don't care what NIH says about a little won't harm, they're in so many things it's not just a little anymore. Was a WSJ article about them where I think it was Walmart told J&J to remove them, as they were being found in people with breast and skin cancer. Lot of companies have been removing them.

Arthritis is in my hands and knees.

Never tried aloe. But I take glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM. Does topical application make any difference?

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

All plants that in the nightshade family are inflammatory. Tomatoes, eggplant for two. I'd rather get tested though 'cuz it can vary from person to person.

Oh and what kind of arthritis is it? There's different kinds.

I haven’t had it formally diagnosed but I don’t have the blood markers for rheumatoid. I’m assuming just standard osteo arthritis.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Arthritis is in my hands and knees.

Never tried aloe. But I take glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM. Does topical application make any difference?



I haven’t had it formally diagnosed but I don’t have the blood markers for rheumatoid. I’m assuming just standard osteo arthritis.

What she said about doing the blood test to see what your food allergies are is really important as I mentioned earlier. There is actually another way to do it but it is most likely unavailable there. What she said about tumeric is right on the money. I use the curcumin extract powder that I buy in bulk and mix with broth. If you do that and eat red or black cherries you will notice within a few days the difference. I have it in my hands as well from years of lifting and martial arts

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

What she said about doing the blood test to see what your food allergies are is really important as I mentioned earlier. There is actually another way to do it but it is most likely unavailable there. What she said about tumeric is right on the money. I use the curcumin extract powder that I buy in bulk and mix with broth. If you do that and eat red or black cherries you will notice within a few days the difference. I have it in my hands as well from years of lifting and martial arts

You might be referencing some older information that has since been proven false. Not trying to be a jerk. But the most recent meta-study on tumeric/curcumin looks at >120 different scientific studies and includes 164 references. Please take a look at the meta-study below in the link and the included references if you're curious. Here's the result:

Curcumin has recently been classified as both a PAINS (pan-assay interference compounds) and an IMPS (invalid metabolic panaceas) candidate. The likely false activity of curcumin in vitro and in vivo has resulted in >120 clinical trials of curcuminoids against several diseases. No double-blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial of curcumin has been successful. This manuscript reviews the essential medicinal chemistry of curcumin and provides evidence that curcumin is an unstable, reactive, nonbioavailable compound and, therefore, a highly improbable lead.

[...]

At first, curcumin appeared to offer great potential for the development of a therapeutic from a NP (turmeric) that is classified as a GRAS material. Unfortunately, no form of curcumin, or its closely related analogues, appears to possess the properties required for a good drug candidate (chemical stability, high water solubility, potent and selective target activity, high bioavailability, broad tissue distribution, stable metabolism, and low toxicity). The in vitro interference properties of curcumin do, however, offer many traps that can trick unprepared researchers into misinterpreting the results of their investigations.

[...]

With respect to curcumin/curcuminoids and in vivo studies and clinical trials, we believe there is rather “much ado about nothing”. Certainly, the low systemic exposure levels reported in clinical trials do not support its further investigation as a therapeutic. Circumventing the requirement for systemic circulation, curcumin might provide benefit by acting on gut microbiota. Thus far, there is limited evidence to support this hypothesis, which will also limit the utility of this delivery method. Delivery systems such as lipid vesicles, nanoparticles, and nanofibers might be able to boost the bioavailability of 1, but this could also conceivably narrow its therapeutic window and lead to off-target toxicity by aforementioned processes. Available evidence demonstrates curcumin will ultimately degrade upon release into physiologic media, no matter the delivery mechanism. Analogues of 1 might address some of the delivery challenges but would be new chemical entities and would have to proceed through expensive preclinical work to be approved for clinical trials. In our opinion, analogues of curcumin are based on a fairly weak foundation.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021...edchem.6b00975

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just offering what I've found to be the most recent scientific information about the subject. If you have more recent contradictory studies/information, I'd gladly refer to that, feel free to offer it up.

[KS Smitty]

Science is a cruel mistress.

Wish I could help Buehler, arthritis pain is no fun.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Arthritis is in my hands and knees.

Never tried aloe. But I take glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM. Does topical application make any difference?



I haven’t had it formally diagnosed but I don’t have the blood markers for rheumatoid. I’m assuming just standard osteo arthritis.

Have you tried Diclofenac? It's topical ibuprofen. You get topical absorption with limited systemic side effects of NSAIDs, like GI irritation and narrowing of your afferent arterioles (which drops your GFR).

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Have you tried Diclofenac? It's topical ibuprofen. You get topical absorption with limited systemic side effects of NSAIDs, like GI irritation and narrowing of your afferent arterioles (which drops your GFR).

I have not. Does it take a prescription?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I have not. Does it take a prescription?

Yeah. Trade name is Voltaren.