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O.city · 02-27-2016, 04:40 PM

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 5m5 minutes ago Indianapolis, IN

Slimmed-down #Chiefs safety Eric Berry starred in 2015, setting up next payday: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy …

So, kind of puts to rest the box safety only talk and whether he's worth it, if you follow Louis Riddick.

Saccopoo · 02-28-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Nobody in the league has locked down Gronk.

Maybe we should put Eric Fisher on him next time, 'cause he's ****ed up Von Miller and JJ Watt.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 02-29-2016, 02:23 AM

This is what I want for the money Eric Berry is asking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwstKhD1c6c

If anyone on this forum thinks Berry is remotely as effective as Chancellor in coverage and open field tackling, you are mistaken. Chancellor's highlights come against very good talent (Niners, Panthers, Green Bay, New orleans, Cowboys, Cardinals, Denver at their peak, and New England). The dude makes receivers scared to catch the ball. He obliterated Denver in the SB and destroyed Vernon Davis numerous times in '13 and '14. The guy can actually track down tight ends and has good field awareness.

Berry isn't even on Earl Thomas' level if you want to compare someone closer to his body build.

8 mil/year max or the Chiefs should walk away

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 02-29-2016, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

I can't believe you and I are agreeing on this issue.

Bottomline, the defense has looked the same without berry for almost TWO full seasons; that's a big enough sample size.

Dreams do come true

**New World Order** · 02-29-2016, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Dreams do come true

Now about that qb situation...

Marcellus · 02-29-2016, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

When Berry can go one-on-one and at least contain a player like Gronk then you can give him the 10-12 mil or whatever he wants.

We don't need a player who can take on o-linemen when Tom Brady is in shotgun with 5 wide.

, he needs to be someone who doesn't exist? Tell me who can shut down Gronk one on one.

RunKC · 02-29-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who would you rather pay?

Berry and Howard or Sean Smith and Mitchell Scwartz?

Then draft Vernon Butler and Miles Killebrew in the 2016 draft...

Killebrew just ran a 4.67 and scouts say he isn't that good in coverage.

oh Sac...

Urc Burry · 02-29-2016, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

This is what I want for the money Eric Berry is asking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwstKhD1c6c

If anyone on this forum thinks Berry is remotely as effective as Chancellor in coverage and open field tackling, you are mistaken. Chancellor's highlights come against very good talent (Niners, Panthers, Green Bay, New orleans, Cowboys, Cardinals, Denver at their peak, and New England). The dude makes receivers scared to catch the ball. He obliterated Denver in the SB and destroyed Vernon Davis numerous times in '13 and '14. The guy can actually track down tight ends and has good field awareness.

Berry isn't even on Earl Thomas' level if you want to compare someone closer to his body build.

8 mil/year max or the Chiefs should walk away

Chancellor is not great in coverage. Quit comparing players by their YouTube highlights. And Berry had a better year in coverage than Thomas in coverage as well as being 100X the tackler

Urc Burry · 02-29-2016, 11:44 AM

People are really still that hung up over the Gronkowski touchdown? It was a big play.. But it was made by two players who both might go down as the greatest at their positions. Not to mention it was set up to perfection with Berry erasing Gronk for 3-4 yard gains the 2-3 times they ran it before. That's a touchdown on any safety in the league

Hydrae · 02-29-2016, 11:50 AM

Don't forget that this is a business and Berry brings off field things as well due to his amazing recovery story. What is that worth? I don't know, I am not a marketing guy and I have never understood how you quantify the return on investment for marketing/advertising. But that has to be part of the factoring on deciding how much is too much for Berry, not just his play on the field.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 02-29-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Chancellor is not great in coverage. Quit comparing players by their YouTube highlights. And Berry had a better year in coverage than Thomas in coverage as well as being 100X the tackler

Seahawks pass defense and run defense stats argue against everything you have to say. Individual and team stats say it all. Your name tag says it all too. Is that you Berry??

Sorter · 02-29-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Seahawks pass defense and run defense stats argue against everything you have to say. Individual and team stats say it all. Your name tag says it all too. Is that you Berry??

How about we go through last season and examine every snap that Berry and Chancellor played in which they had the same responsibility, coverage, and front vs the same concept and personnel group?

Edit: I know that some **** is going to come in and say "The front!!! The Chiefs play a 3-4 and the Seahawks a 4-3". We'll simplify it to odd, over, and under.

**The Franchise** · 02-29-2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

How about we go through last season and examine every snap that Berry and Chancellor played in which they had the same responsibility, coverage, and front vs the same concept and personnel group?

You remind me of Pestilence. Go kill yourself.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 02-29-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

, he needs to be someone who doesn't exist? Tell me who can shut down Gronk one on one.

Chancellor. Tyvon Branch in his prime actually gave Gronk fits. I'd put money on Reshad Jones to accomplish that task.

RunKC · 02-29-2016, 04:06 PM

Chancellor got dominated by Gronk in the SB. Also notice the Seahawks pass defense was terrible when it was just Thomas back there during Chancellor's holdout. Even Foles tore them up.

Thomas is a ball hawk safety who can't play in the box to save his life and Chancellor is a box safety who has average coverage skills.

Berry is a mix of both of these guys and can do both at an elite level.

ThaVirus · 02-29-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Here's the play I was referencing. Just found it from my post a long time ago.

The guy absolutely puts hits on players and he does it often.

"I don't remember a single time Berry made a play to break up a pass on the sideline"

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Urc Burry Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Casino cash: $9041048	People are really still that hung up over the Gronkowski touchdown? It was a big play.. But it was made by two players who both might go down as the greatest at their positions. Not to mention it was set up to perfection with Berry erasing Gronk for 3-4 yard gains the 2-3 times they ran it before. That's a touchdown on any safety in the league
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Hydrae Sandbox: Leander Lasercats Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Austin, Tx Casino cash: $2357000	Don't forget that this is a business and Berry brings off field things as well due to his amazing recovery story. What is that worth? I don't know, I am not a marketing guy and I have never understood how you quantify the return on investment for marketing/advertising. But that has to be part of the factoring on deciding how much is too much for Berry, not just his play on the field.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2279611	Chancellor got dominated by Gronk in the SB. Also notice the Seahawks pass defense was terrible when it was just Thomas back there during Chancellor's holdout. Even Foles tore them up. Thomas is a ball hawk safety who can't play in the box to save his life and Chancellor is a box safety who has average coverage skills. Berry is a mix of both of these guys and can do both at an elite level.
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