Football NFL Coaches Rank QBs - Page 10

jspchief · 08-09-2016, 02:00 PM

ESPN insider article.http://insider.espn.com/nfl/insider/...roethlisberger

Tier 1:
T-1 Brady
T-1 Rodgers
3. Roethlisberger

Tier 2:
4. Newton
5. Brees
6. Wilson
7. Luck
8. Rivers
9. Eli
10. Palmer
11. Romo
12. Flacco
13. Ryan
14. Stafford
15. Dalton

Tier 3:
16. Carr
17. Winston
18. A Smith
19. Mariota
20. Cousins
21. Cutler
22. Bortles
23. Bridgewater
24. Tannehill
25. Fitzpatrick
26. Taylor
27. Osweiler
28. Bradford

Tier 4:
29. Kaepernick
30. Gabbert
31. Sanchez
32. Griffin
33. Keenum

**Mav** · 08-10-2016, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

I mostly agree, but "nothing" fluky?

David Tyree's Helmet catch is one of the flukiest things I've ever seen in my life.

Not to mention Wes Welker who has some of the best hands EVER dropping a pass he catches 99 out of 100

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oaklandhater · 08-10-2016, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid

Smith is better than any of the tier 3 guys right now. He should be at the bottom of the Tier 2.

I think smith is A little high on that list based on last year alone and how rough smith started the year I would put cousins mariota and cutler ahead of him.

Sorter · 08-10-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

Not to mention Wes Welker who has some of the best hands EVER dropping a pass he catches 99 out of 100

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That was tough catch.

This paradox bothers me quite a bit: Football is a game of inches and singular plays that we all view as momentous. The paradox is that if other plays had been executed, that situation would have never occurred.

It's just interesting to ponder. You start watching film and looking at all of the times you (or others) ****ed up in big situations and most don't think to look at the smaller events that could have prevented the aforementioned situations from happening.

**Mav** · 08-10-2016, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

That was tough catch.

This paradox bothers me quite a bit: Football is a game of inches and singular plays that we all view as momentous. The paradox is that if other plays had been executed, that situation would have never occurred.

It's just interesting to ponder. You start watching film and looking at all of the times you (or others) ****ed up in big situations and most don't think to look at the smaller events that could have prevented the aforementioned situations from happening.

That's true as well.

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TigeRRUppeRRcut · 08-10-2016, 08:17 PM

How does a dual threat QB with one of the best winning %'s over the last 5 years not even make tier 2?

THIS is a great example of why ESPN is losing followers

oaklandhater · 08-10-2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

How does a dual threat QB with one of the best winning %'s over the last 5 years not even make tier 2?

THIS is a great example of why ESPN is losing followers

Stats not every one of those QB's in Tier 2 has a top 10 defense to fall back on.

BigCatDaddy · 08-10-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

How does a dual threat QB with one of the best winning %'s over the last 5 years not even make tier 2?

THIS is a great example of why ESPN is losing followers

The voting panel for our third annual NFL QB Tier Rankings consisted of 42 league insiders -- 10 general managers, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, five defensive coordinators, eight personnel evaluators and seven other position coaches/executives.

oaklandhater · 08-10-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The voting panel for our third annual NFL QB Tier Rankings consisted of 42 league insiders -- 10 general managers, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, five defensive coordinators, eight personnel evaluators and seven other position coaches/executives.

dls6501 · 08-10-2016, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

How does a dual threat QB with one of the best winning %'s over the last 5 years not even make tier 2?

THIS is a great example of why ESPN is losing followers

No its a great example of how winning percentage only is a silly way to measure a player against his peers.

Mr. Laz · 08-10-2016, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I think I'd rank them something like this... Rivers is more statwhore than put the team on his back (referring to Buck's rant). The guys in the top two tiers have all produced big, with the exception of Rivers. I just can't put the Tier 3 guys up there with the others just yet.

Tier 1:
Brady
Rodgers
Roethlisberger

Tier 2:
Brees
Wilson
Rivers

Tier 3:
Palmer
Eli
Flacco
Romo
Ryan
Stafford
Luck
Newton
A Smith
Dalton

FYP

Palmer is better than Eli and flacco, who shouldn't be in tier 2. I'm not sure i get the constant love for Dalton either. Cutler can bite me as well.

PAChiefsGuy · 08-11-2016, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

No its a great example of how winning percentage only is a silly way to measure a player against his peers.

Not necessarily.

To an extent that's true but if a QB continues to win year after year in different situations and without a great D while performing solidly consistently, it's time the QB gets some respect.

Look at what happened to the 49ers after he left, they went downhill, slowly, but it did happen. Now look at them. Complete rebuild mode with the garbage college coach Chip Kelly. We have been going in the opposite direction since Alex Smith got here. A coincidence? I don't think so. The guy knows how to win games despite his limitations. He's smart, earned a economics degree in two years with a 3.74 GPA in college and was working on his masters before he got drafted.

At the end of the day football is about winning, not fantasy football. Stats do not tell the whole story. He's a good QB if you want to win games. If all you care about is stats then I guess he isn't but that's not what I am worried about.

Couch-Potato · 08-11-2016, 07:47 AM

I think this is pretty accurate as of this last season. Smith has a chance in my book to work his way up to around the 12 spot and jump a tier if he shows a little more this season. Had Cam won last year I think that puts him up there in the top tier.

ThaVirus · 08-11-2016, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Not necessarily.

To an extent that's true but if a QB continues to win year after year in different situations and without a great D while performing solidly consistently, it's time the QB gets some respect.

Look at what happened to the 49ers after he left, they went downhill, slowly, but it did happen. Now look at them. Complete rebuild mode with the garbage college coach Chip Kelly. We have been going in the opposite direction since Alex Smith got here. A coincidence? I don't think so. The guy knows how to win games despite his limitations. He's smart, earned a economics degree in two years with a 3.74 GPA in college and was working on his masters before he got drafted.

At the end of the day football is about winning, not fantasy football. Stats do not tell the whole story. He's a good QB if you want to win games. If all you care about is stats then I guess he isn't but that's not what I am worried about.

The 49ers slide had a lot more to do with Harbaugh sabotaging them and legitimately everyone with a morsel of talent retiring in the same offseason.

Mile High Mania · 08-11-2016, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

How does a dual threat QB with one of the best winning %'s over the last 5 years not even make tier 2?

THIS is a great example of why ESPN is losing followers

Are you referring to Alex? If so, I think it's because he's perceived to be on one of the tighter leashes in the league. I don't think most fans can point to two games where he's had a "wow" moment.

I think he's definitely top half and that shouldn't be viewed as a slight towards him, he just hasn't done anything spectacular. The guy has averaged 18 TDs in the last 5 years, with 23 being the best and it's a 'passing league' now. Plus, he lost his gig in SF and while he's had success in KC, he's likely the 4th or 5th name people will point to for their success.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 08-11-2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

No its a great example of how winning percentage only is a silly way to measure a player against his peers.

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The voting panel for our third annual NFL QB Tier Rankings consisted of 42 league insiders -- 10 general managers, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, five defensive coordinators, eight personnel evaluators and seven other position coaches/executives.

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Stats not every one of those QB's in Tier 2 has a top 10 defense to fall back on.

You don't go 5 seasons with a winning % like Smith's and turn around a 2-14 team just by accident. Also, discounting his running ability when grading his value at QB is just foolish. Dual threat QBs have had far more success than pro style QB's.

ESPN is garbage as seen by their ratings. They probably selected their panel from the perennial loser franchises. I bet Pioli was a voter

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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	NFL Coaches Rank QBs ESPN insider article.http://insider.espn.com/nfl/insider/...roethlisberger Tier 1: T-1 Brady T-1 Rodgers 3. Roethlisberger Tier 2: 4. Newton 5. Brees 6. Wilson 7. Luck 8. Rivers 9. Eli 10. Palmer 11. Romo 12. Flacco 13. Ryan 14. Stafford 15. Dalton Tier 3: 16. Carr 17. Winston 18. A Smith 19. Mariota 20. Cousins 21. Cutler 22. Bortles 23. Bridgewater 24. Tannehill 25. Fitzpatrick 26. Taylor 27. Osweiler 28. Bradford Tier 4: 29. Kaepernick 30. Gabbert 31. Sanchez 32. Griffin 33. Keenum
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Couch-Potato MVP Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $3293065	I think this is pretty accurate as of this last season. Smith has a chance in my book to work his way up to around the 12 spot and jump a tier if he shows a little more this season. Had Cam won last year I think that puts him up there in the top tier.
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