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Old 11-08-2018, 08:16 AM  
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:09 PM   #91
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Change it by 3 years - same 19 year old dude and a 12 year old girl?
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:10 PM   #92
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Change it by 3 years - same 19 year old dude and a 12 year old girl?
The key question with regards to actual pedophilia is not age. It's puberty.

Pedophilia



Statutory rape, often falsely called pedophilia

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:11 PM   #93
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The key question with regards to actual pedophilia is not age. It's puberty.
I know it’s nebulous but emotional maturity factors in there too in my thinking.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:14 PM   #94
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[QUOTE=Just Passin' By;13879320]The key question with regards to actual pedophilia is not age. It's puberty.

Sorry for being redundant -

> Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with children who are generally age 13 years or younger.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/c...ons/pedophilia


> Are you simply disagreeing with this definition?
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:23 PM   #95
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The key question with regards to actual pedophilia is not age. It's puberty.
Sorry for being redundant -

> Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with children who are generally age 13 years or younger.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/c...ons/pedophilia

> Are you simply disagreeing with this definition?
Neither. You seem to be ignoring the world 'children'.

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Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[4]
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pedophilia noun
pe·​do·​phil·​ia | \ˌpe-də-ˈfi-lē-ə, ˌpē- \
Definition of pedophilia

: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia

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Definition of paedophilia in English:
paedophilia
(US pedophilia)
noun
mass noun

Sexual feelings directed towards children.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...on/paedophilia

Again, there's a difference between statutory rape (18 year old boy who's been banging his younger girlfriend since they were 16 suddenly becomes a statutory rapist upon his birthday) and pedophilia (18 year old boy is turned on by his 6 year old niece).

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:38 PM   #96
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Neither. You seem to be ignoring the world 'children'.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedophilia



https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...on/paedophilia

Again, there's a difference between statutory rape (18 year old boy who's been banging his younger girlfriend since they were 16 suddenly becomes a statutory rapist upon his birthday) and pedophilia (18 year old boy is turned on by his 6 year old niece).


None of that was the original issue - which was - RBG promoting the legal course of 'lowering the legal age of consent to age 12' (which is documented).

This source suggests RBG would have lowered the age of consent into the age range in which pedophiles could legally have sex with underage children.

As a father of 2 kids - the issue of puberty at age 10, 11, 12, 13 - and Adults being able to have sex with kids in this age range - is not acceptable.

> Would you find it acceptable for some adult banging your 12 year old child?
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:49 PM   #97
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None of that was the original issue - which was - RBG promoting the legal course of 'lowering the legal age of consent to age 12' (which is documented).
That's not accurate. The original issue was the following

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I just want her to retire - no calls for death or pain.

But I am curious how liberals can justify supporting a proponent of pedophilia:
I merely noted that there's a difference between pedophilia and statutory rape, and that the difference often goes ignored in today's society. You seem to be an example of someone ignoring the difference.

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Old 11-08-2018, 09:02 PM   #98
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That's not accurate. The original issue was the following



I merely noted that there's a difference between pedophilia and statutory rape, and that the difference often goes ignored in today's society. You seem to be an example of someone ignoring the difference.


Generally speaking, pedophilia 'includes children age 13 and under' - wherein there are state by state legal codes addressing Crimes Against Children - which are both focused on 'Age' and 'Age Range.'

> These laws are focused on 'age' for legal enforcement.

We seem to have competing definitions:

> Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with children who are generally age 13 years or younger.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/c...ons/pedophilia

> It seems clear that - had RBG had her way - there would have been a clear path for pedophiles to have legal sex with under-age children.
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Generally speaking, pedophilia 'includes children age 13 and under' - wherein there are state by state legal codes addressing Crimes Against Children - which are both focused on 'Age' and 'Age Range.'

> These laws are focused on 'age' for legal enforcement.

We seem to have competing definitions:

> Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with children who are generally age 13 years or younger.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/c...ons/pedophilia

> It seems clear that - had RBG had her way - there would have been a clear path for pedophiles to have legal sex with under-age children.
The definitions aren't competing. You're reading into

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as if 13 is a hard and fast cutoff point, when it's not, as the word "generally"makes clear.

As I stated earlier

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The key question with regards to actual pedophilia is not age. It's puberty.

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The definitions aren't competing. You're reading into



as if 13 is a hard and fast cutoff point
, when it's not, as the word "generally"makes clear.

As I stated earlier

With good reason - sorry to source - but we seem to be at an impasse:

"Under the current manual of the DSM (DSM-IV-TR), a diagnosis of pedophilia necessitates that an individual of at least sixteen years of age (and at least five years older than the child involved) meet two requirements.

"The first criterion is "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)" that takes place for "a period of at least 6 months.

"The second criterion requires that the person has acted on these sexual urges or is markedly distressed by them.

"Pedophilia includes any combination of the two. The diagnosis is further delineated into the specifications of (1) whether the individual is sexually attracted to male children, female children, or both; (2) whether the individual's behavior is limited to incest; and (3) whether the individual is sexually attracted exclusively to children, or to both children and adults.

"When the "or behaviors" component of the first criterion is combined with the "acted" component of the second criterion, an individual can be diagnosed with pedophilia based simply on a sexual act with a child, absent a particular mental state."

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Pedophile.aspx

> I have done legal work in the realm of Crimes Against Children - I think we simply have a different approach of evaluating this issue.

> Either way - I think we can both agree that adults should not be having sex with our 12 year old children.

- RBG would have made this legal.
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With good reason - sorry to source - but we seem to be at an impasse:

"Under the current manual of the DSM (DSM-IV-TR), a diagnosis of pedophilia necessitates that an individual of at least sixteen years of age (and at least five years older than the child involved) meet two requirements.

"The first criterion is "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)" that takes place for "a period of at least 6 months.

"The second criterion requires that the person has acted on these sexual urges or is markedly distressed by them.

"Pedophilia includes any combination of the two. The diagnosis is further delineated into the specifications of (1) whether the individual is sexually attracted to male children, female children, or both; (2) whether the individual's behavior is limited to incest; and (3) whether the individual is sexually attracted exclusively to children, or to both children and adults.

"When the "or behaviors" component of the first criterion is combined with the "acted" component of the second criterion, an individual can be diagnosed with pedophilia based simply on a sexual act with a child, absent a particular mental state."

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Pedophile.aspx

> I have done legal work in the realm of Crimes Against Children - I think we simply have a different approach of evaluating this issue.

> Either way - I think we can both agree that adults should not be having sex with our 12 year old children.

- RBG would have made this legal.
There's no difference of approach. There's just you getting it wrong because you are misunderstanding "prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)" as if it means that 13 is a legitimate hard number, when it's not. Some kids hit puberty younger than 13, some hit it later.

In fact, here's an article discussing puberty throughout the centuries

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-childr...skeletons.html
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I can just see the idiots in here googling pedophilia a bunch of times to prove they are right and getting placed on some government watch list.
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There's no difference of approach. There's just you getting it wrong because you are misunderstanding "prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)" as if it means that 13 is a legitimate hard number, when it's not. Some kids hit puberty younger than 13, some hit it later.

In fact, here's an article discussing puberty throughout the centuries

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-childr...skeletons.html

I was weighing-in on RBG's efforts to change the age of consent to "12."

The DSM - and various legal sources cite "generally age 13 and under" in reference to the issue of pedophilia.

You are now not arguing with me - but rather, sources which are used in the body of work known as Crimes Against Children.
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