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Old 11-07-2018, 10:14 AM  
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Black and Hispanic voters: thrash the GOP

ABC Exits:

Blacks 90-9
Hispanics 69-29



(This is the thread where CP cuckservatives explain why minorities were so angry at the GOP given peace and prosperity and their own record-low unemployment rates)
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:35 AM   #16
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Rhetoric matters. One day conservatives will figure that out.
I hate the bastardization of the concept of rhetoric to describe this phenomenon, but I concede it is accurate.

But more importantly, I hate from BOTH sides of the specific phenomenon that it is accurate.

I'm a policy/philosophy/rationality guy, I think that assessment would be borne out. And so much of politics is emotional, and it drives me crazy.

People are doing so many different, often incompatible, things when they vote. Some are protecting interests. Some are projecting philosophies. Some are picking a father or boyfriend.

Another aspect of our national divide is, some people say

'their policies work, who cares how nice they are to you.'

and some say

'they aren't nice to you, who cares what their policies are.'
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:37 AM   #17
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curious where these exit polls were taken at
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:37 AM   #18
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Yeah. The stupid jackass popped off to Trump about immigration, and was thus extinguished politically.
That hypothesis might fly elsewhere in America, but she's smack-dab in the middle of Mormonville. The only borders they believe in is the reach of their missionary outreach.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:38 AM   #19
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:41 AM   #20
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I hate the bastardization of the concept of rhetoric to describe this phenomenon, but I concede it is accurate.

But more importantly, I hate from BOTH sides of the specific phenomenon that it is accurate.

I'm a policy/philosophy/rationality guy, I think that assessment would be borne out. And so much of politics is emotional, and it drives me crazy.

People are doing so many different, often incompatible, things when they vote. Some are protecting interests. Some are projecting philosophies. Some are picking a father or boyfriend.

Another aspect of our national divide is, some people say

'their policies work, who cares how nice they are to you.'

and some say

'they aren't nice to you, who cares what their policies are.'
Agreed. Voting is emotional for many, many people. Anger over a campaign ad, rhetoric, or hell even message board or youtube comments can be enough to swing a vote over more tangible, positive results. Especially if the voter doesn't see those positive results affecting them on a daily/significant basis.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:44 AM   #21
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Come on, Bitch. You don't want them anyway.
True.

But his point is to illustrate that conservatives and white people in general shouldn't want them either, because they'll always vote Dem no matter what.

His point is to illustrate that allowing any immigrants in will always work against "the white man" and trying to sway minority groups is a fools errand.

PB's is all about us vs them.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:45 AM   #22
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These numbers should encourage the GOP to try to make inroads into those voting blocs. If most races are decided within a couple of points, and they could move these groups from 90% to 85% D, or from 70% to 65% D, that would flip a lot of seats. Particularly in certain places.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:45 AM   #23
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So the Dems haven't figured out the proper rhetoric to reach whites?
They had it, for lower-middle and lower class whites, for decades. They have abandoned it as a strategy.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:47 AM   #24
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True.

But his point is to illustrate that conservatives and white people in general shouldn't want them either, because they'll always vote Dem no matter what.

His point is to illustrate that allowing any immigrants in will always work against "the white man" and trying to sway minority groups is a fools errand.

PB's is all about us vs them.
I think he got the point. The only people who don't get the point are delusional cuckservatives, who are only like 10% of the electorate. The other 90% know that immigration is thisclose to swallowing the GOP whole for good.


I am all about "us vs them". It's really the only rational response to your opponents who've been using "us vs rhem" for 50+ years.
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These numbers should encourage the GOP to try to make inroads into those voting blocs. If most races are decided within a couple of points, and they could move these groups from 90% to 85% D, or from 70% to 65% D, that would flip a lot of seats. Particularly in certain places.
And right on cue, cuckservative thinking came roaring onto the thread ^
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And right on cue, cuckservative thinking came roaring onto the thread ^
Nobody is talking about making these groups majority-R, just that moving the needle slightly would pay huge dividends.
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True.

But his point is to illustrate that conservatives and white people in general shouldn't want them either, because they'll always vote Dem no matter what.

His point is to illustrate that allowing any immigrants in will always work against "the white man" and trying to sway minority groups is a fools errand.

PB's is all about us vs them.
No. Bitch doesn't want them because "they don't look like him." Not because they'll always vote D.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:54 AM   #28
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Nobody is talking about making these groups majority-R, just that moving the needle slightly would pay huge dividends.
As I noted in the 1st post, things have never been better for blacks or Hispanics in this country than they are now. And yet they still thrashed the GOP . That's the whole point dude - there ARE NO POLICY speeches or "outreach" that will ever work because this isn't even working for them.
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Nobody is talking about making these groups majority-R, just that moving the needle slightly would pay huge dividends.
Well releasing a campaign video that doubles down on the rhetoric that inflamed so many hispanics in the first place isn't making much of an attempt to do it.
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As I noted in the 1st post, things have never been better for blacks or Hispanics in this country than they are now. And yet they still thrashed the GOP . That's the whole point dude - there ARE NO POLICY speeches or "outreach" that will ever work because this isn't even working for them.
It's called perception. And it matters.
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