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Old 09-18-2018, 09:12 AM  
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Keith Ellison domestic violence accuser says Democratic party doesn't believe her sto

Will Ellison get Frankened over this as a sacrifice to the Kavanaugh obstruction?

The woman who accused Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison of domestic abuse said on Monday that Democrats don’t believe her story and threatened to isolate her over the allegations.

Karen Monahan, a former girlfriend, came forward last month alleging that Ellison sent her threatening text messages and once screamed obscenities at her as he dragged her off a bed by her feet.

Ellison has denied the accusations, saying he “never behaved this way.” He did acknowledge he was in a relationship with the woman.

The allegations didn’t lead to any immediate action against the congressman, except for the announcement that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) would review the accusations. He went on to win the Democratic primary election for Minnesota attorney general.

Monahan slammed the Democratic Party for its response to her allegations when compared to its treatment of Christine Blasey Ford. Ford has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of attempting to force himself onto her during at a high school party nearly four decades ago, prompting prominent Democrats to get behind Ford’s allegations.

“No, they don't,” Monahan tweeted in response to a question whether the party believes women’s stories. “I've been smeared, threatened, isolated from my own party. I provided medical records from 2017, stating on two different Dr. Visits, I told them about the abuse and who did it. My therapist released records stating I have been dealing and healing from the abuse.”

She added: “Four people, including my supervisor at the time, stated that I came to them after and shared the exact story I shared publicly, I shared multiple text between me and Keith, where I discuss the abuse with him and much more. As I said before, I knew I wouldn't be believed.”

Her comment came after another user pointed to comments made by Peter Daou, a Democratic strategist and former advisor to Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, who wrote in a tweet that the Kavanaugh accuser will be “attacked, smeared, and demonized” and that people must “believe women.”

Many other Democrats and progressives – who stayed silent when the accusations against Ellison emerged – came out in support of Ford, including Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Tom Perez, chairman of the DNC, who urged to investigate the claims and Kavanaugh.

Monahan went to reiterate that her story has nothing to do with politics. “I have nothing to prove to anyone, I simply shared my story. People can believe it or not. I don’t need anyone to affirm my humanity, I affirmed it,” she wrote in another tweet.

“The fact that both parties only care if it scores political points is hypocritical,” she added. “Do you think a person who has dealt with any form of abuse by politicians is thinking about politics? No, we & are families are trying to heal.”

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Old 09-25-2018, 04:52 PM   #91
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In civil cases, it's a preponderance of the evidence, which means 51%.

And juries decide cases based solely upon testimony all the time.

(And this isn't even a civil case. It's a job interview.)
It's much more serious than a job interview. I know you keep saying that because it relieves you of the burden that this person is getting destroyed to satisfy political bullshit, but it's not just about a job interview.
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:00 PM   #92
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:07 PM   #93
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It's much more serious than a job interview. I know you keep saying that because it relieves you of the burden that this person is getting destroyed to satisfy political bullshit, but it's not just about a job interview.
Destroyed? If he is not confirmed, he will still have his lifetime seat on the Court of Appeals. You know that, right?
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:13 PM   #94
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Destroyed? If he is not confirmed, he will still have his lifetime seat on the Court of Appeals. You know that, right?
The title of one of these threads starts with "Creepy Kavanaugh...". Half the county believes he is a sexual predator for nothing more than the bleary recollections - unearthed by questionable head shrink tactics, years after the alleged event.

It's not like he can just move to a different state where no one will know him. This is the new reality for himself, his wife and his children - forever. For no other reason than the liberals can all claim that they stood up to Donald Trump. That's it.

They are calling Ford a "survivor" FFS. Just listen to the shit out there and tell me this isn't forever altering this dudes life and his family's life. Then keep saying, with a straight face, that this is just a job interview.
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The title of one of these threads starts with "Creepy Kavanaugh...". Half the county believes he is a sexual predator for nothing more than the bleary recollections - unearthed by questionable head shrink tactics, years after the alleged event.

It's not like he can just move to a different state where no one will know him. This is the new reality for himself, his wife and his children - forever. For no other reason than the liberals can all claim that they stood up to Donald Trump. That's it.

They are calling Ford a "survivor" FFS. Just listen to the shit out there and tell me this isn't forever altering this dudes life and his family's life. Then keep saying, with a straight face, that this is just a job interview.
You know what? When you aspire to the highest court in the land, you subject yourself to having your life publicly put under a microscope. He knew that going in.

Did he know that this shit was going to come out? I would say no. Did he know that if something embarrassing from his past was unearthed, that the entire population of the United States would hear about it? Yes, he knew that. That's the risk you take when you want a seat in government at that level.
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He didn't do any of it and I hope he sues everyone involved for defamation.
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You know what? When you aspire to the highest court in the land, you subject yourself to having your life publicly put under a microscope. He knew that going in.

Did he know that this shit was going to come out? I would say no. Did he know that if something embarrassing from his past was unearthed, that the entire population of the United States would hear about it? Yes, he knew that. That's the risk you take when you want a seat in government at that level.
Due process and innocent until proven guilty are so 20th Century.
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You know what? When you aspire to the highest court in the land, you subject yourself to having your life publicly put under a microscope. He knew that going in.

Did he know that this shit was going to come out? I would say no. Did he know that if something embarrassing from his past was unearthed, that the entire population of the United States would hear about it? Yes, he knew that. That's the risk you take when you want a seat in government at that level.
Jeezus! Again, you are assuming he's freakin' guilty! There is absolutely nothing to suggest he is. There are 6 FBI investigations, a lifetime of clean living, and a huge number of character witnesses to suggest that he is innocent.

You're right. He did know that he was subjecting himself to putting his life under the microscope. What is new... is the country's (or half the country's) complete willingness to throw away the presumption of innocence for purposes for political gain.
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You know what? When you aspire to the highest court in the land, you subject yourself to having your life publicly put under a microscope. He knew that going in.

Did he know that this shit was going to come out? I would say no. Did he know that if something embarrassing from his past was unearthed, that the entire population of the United States would hear about it? Yes, he knew that. That's the risk you take when you want a seat in government at that level.
another thing... in another post, you hold up the fact that Ford names a 3rd party in the room with her, as evidence that she is telling the truth since that 3rd party could deny the allegation.

Does the fact that Kavanaugh knew his life would be under intense scrutinization then count as evidence that he is telling the truth? Would someone with a history of sexual assault on his hands seek such lofty offices knowing that he'd be under the microscope?
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Due process and innocent until proven guilty are so 20th Century.
Except, he's not on trial. He's not even in civil litigation.

He is a judical appointee trying to get a job.
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another thing... in another post, you hold up the fact that Ford names a 3rd party in the room with her, as evidence that she is telling the truth since that 3rd party could deny the allegation.

Does the fact that Kavanaugh knew his life would be under intense scrutinization then count as evidence that he is telling the truth? Would someone with a history of sexual assault on his hands seek such lofty offices knowing that he'd be under the microscope?
I said that tends to lend her credibility, yes. It's obviously not determinative or anything like it.

I would say, all other things being equal, BK's knowledge of the investigation that would come would lend some credibility to his denials.

On the other hand, he might think of it the way that many people do - it was just stupid teenage shit. He might not even have thought about it at all in decades.

The other thing is, to reach that level, to become a part of history, people could rationally conclude that the payoff is worth quite a bit of risk. It's not like being President, but it's in the same ballpark.
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The other thing is, to reach that level, to become a part of history, people could rationally conclude that the payoff is worth quite a bit of risk. It's not like being President, but it's in the same ballpark.
Much like the potential payoff of falsely but successfully accusing a Trump appointee to SCOTUS. Worth the risk, especially to a known political operative like Ford appears to be.
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Much like the potential payoff of falsely but successfully accusing a Trump appointee to SCOTUS. Worth the risk, especially to a known political operative like Ford appears to be.
She certainly has some personal payoff to look forward to, no doubt about it.
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She certainly has some personal payoff to look forward to, no doubt about it.
Your repeated attempts to steer this thread away from the abuse charges leveled against Ellison are noted.

The avoidance of the multiple abuse charges in motion against Ellison by you and the other left wing posters here is telling.
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Anyone from the left care to comment? How do our posters here who are calling for Kavanaugh to step down respond to the multiple allegations against Ellison?
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