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Old 01-06-2016, 04:00 PM   #91
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:32 PM   #92
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I also think if Avery did it, he'd have used the smelter in the auto yard, not a fire pit. They'd have never found her remains encased in pot metal ingots.
I saw an interview with Dean Strang (one of the defense lawyers for Steven) and he said that a forensic anthropologist told them that a burn pit wouldn't generate nearly enough heat to burn through a body as thoroughly as the bones that were found. That makes me think she was burned at the quarry by someone else and then remains transported to the burn pit. Plus the fact that bones were found in three separate locations means the remains were moved.
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:04 PM   #93
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I saw an interview with Dean Strang (one of the defense lawyers for Steven) and he said that a forensic anthropologist told them that a burn pit wouldn't generate nearly enough heat to burn through a body as thoroughly as the bones that were found. That makes me think she was burned at the quarry by someone else and then remains transported to the burn pit. Plus the fact that bones were found in three separate locations means the remains were moved.
exactly....like I said....we're really supposed to believe he burned her IN HIS OWN BACK YARD...and then moved a couple handfuls to the quarry leaving 90 percent of her IN HIS OWN BACK YARD.

maybe Brendan would believe that....but the public at large....I don't think so.
this point should have been one of the biggest arguments for his innocence. but according to what I saw on the show...it was mentioned maybe twice...
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:44 AM   #94
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I also think if Avery did it, he'd have used the smelter in the auto yard, not a fire pit. They'd have never found her remains encased in pot metal ingots.
That and would have crushed the car....
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exactly....like I said....we're really supposed to believe he burned her IN HIS OWN BACK YARD...and then moved a couple handfuls to the quarry leaving 90 percent of her IN HIS OWN BACK YARD.

maybe Brendan would believe that....but the public at large....I don't think so.
this point should have been one of the biggest arguments for his innocence. but according to what I saw on the show...it was mentioned maybe twice...
A majority of people are idiots.
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Remind me to stay the **** out of Wisconsin. The whole mother****ing state is corrupt - county cops, prosecutors, judges, DOJ.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:05 PM   #97
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Finished it tonight, and holy ****.

Remind me to stay the **** out of Wisconsin. The whole mother****ing state is corrupt - county cops, prosecutors, judges, DOJ.
Finished tonight. Cops defintely planted evidence. The judicial system was biased. The judge that sentenced him and basically called him the worst human being ever, is the one who decides the appeal? WTF?

So many holes....where is the blood if she was killed in the bedroom or garage? Why doesn't he use the car crusher? and many more.

Yeah it was a biased documentary. But, it was riveting.
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:06 PM   #98
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I live in Manitowoc.

Big, big deal here. Natives are all in a buzz about it.
Are they going to do something about those corrupt cops?
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:22 PM   #99
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Did you know Steven Avery or the Avery's personally before all of this hoopla, do tell.
Never met him or his family.

However, people that I know who do know him believe he was fully capable of doing it. It's 2nd hand info, so I can't confirm one way or another.

Most of the natives I talk to resent the fact the national media and social media are getting involved in something they know nothing about...aside from a "slanted" documentary. I just smile and listen because tempers are rising. "Where is the concern about just for the victim?"

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Old 01-07-2016, 11:22 PM   #100
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Finished it. Great TV.

After I went online to see if there was more to the story and they evidently left out some pretty crucial revelations from the trial -- like the fact that the murder victim and Steve Avery had a history and that she had lodged a complaint because he had met her once only wearing a towel and propositioned her.

Wasn't there so can't vouch for it -- but stuff like this along with the fact that they found DNA from other than blood inside her car leaves some doubt on his innocence...

Regardless, the behavior of the cops and defense lawyers were crazy -- just absolutely crazy...
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White House Issues Response to 'Making a Murderer' Petition


The petition to free Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey, the subjects of Netflix's popular series, was started on Dec. 20 and has reached over 129,000 signatures.

The White House issued a response to a petition to pardon Steven Avery and his cousin Brendan Dassey, the subjects of Netflix's popular series Making a Murderer, on Thursday.

In a statement posted via its We the People site, the White House explained that President Obama is unable to free Avery and Dassey because their alleged crime, the murdering of 25-year-old Teresa Halbach, is a state criminal offense.

"Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions adjudicated in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense," the statement reads.

"Since Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are both state prisoners, the President cannot pardon them. A pardon in this case would need to be issued at the state level by the appropriate authorities."

The petition, launched Dec. 20, pleaded for both subjects to be given a full pardon and claimed "the justice system embarrassingly failed both men, completely ruining their entire lives."

It reached 100,000 signatures, the amount required in order to elicit a response from the White House, within 30 days and has currently amassed over 129,000.
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Finished it. Great TV.

Wasn't there so can't vouch for it -- but stuff like this along with the fact that they found DNA from other than blood inside her car leaves some doubt on his innocence...

Regardless, the behavior of the cops and defense lawyers were crazy -- just absolutely crazy...
The DNA in the car is actually a point to the cops planting more than it is to him actually being in it. If he opened the hood, if he started the car, if he removed the battery cables ..... there would be at least a partial finger print. There was none. However you CAN plant DNA without fingerprints, you can't do what they say he did without leaving them.
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:33 AM   #104
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Finished it. Great TV.

After I went online to see if there was more to the story and they evidently left out some pretty crucial revelations from the trial -- like the fact that the murder victim and Steve Avery had a history and that she had lodged a complaint because he had met her once only wearing a towel and propositioned her.

Wasn't there so can't vouch for it -- but stuff like this along with the fact that they found DNA from other than blood inside her car leaves some doubt on his innocence...

Regardless, the behavior of the cops and defense lawyers were crazy -- just absolutely crazy...
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The DNA in the car is actually a point to the cops planting more than it is to him actually being in it. If he opened the hood, if he started the car, if he removed the battery cables ..... there would be at least a partial finger print. There was none. However you CAN plant DNA without fingerprints, you can't do what they say he did without leaving them.
the key having no other dna on it other than averys...wow.
I think he could be guilty.... he could be. he could have done it. but...from what I've seen, if I was on the jury I'd have to say I have reasonable doubt, so I'd have to vote not guilty. how in the **** any of those jurors could sit there and honestly say they have no doubt is just beyond me! they didn't know of Avery's previous involvement with the victim....so what...there was enough evidence to provide doubt.

but whether he did it or not....the simple fact that those suspect cops who where DIRECTLY involved in his first conviction (and ALMOST inarguably RAILROADED his ass!!!!) were super ****ing DUPER directly involved in the next one.....that should be grounds for dismissal of these charges! THE END. that they were involved AT ALL you'd think would be grounds for dismissal.....that they were involved to such an extent that THEY found the key 4 months after the first search....that the tampered with blood vial came from them with Lenks name on the transfer form.....just wow. unbelievable.
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the key having no other dna on it other than averys...wow.
I think he could be guilty.... he could be. he could have done it. but...from what I've seen, if I was on the jury I'd have to say I have reasonable doubt, so I'd have to vote not guilty. how in the **** any of those jurors could sit there and honestly say they have no doubt is just beyond me! they didn't know of Avery's previous involvement with the victim....so what...there was enough evidence to provide doubt.

but whether he did it or not....the simple fact that those suspect cops who where DIRECTLY involved in his first conviction (and ALMOST inarguably RAILROADED his ass!!!!) were super ****ing DUPER directly involved in the next one.....that should be grounds for dismissal of these charges! THE END. that they were involved AT ALL you'd think would be grounds for dismissal.....that they were involved to such an extent that THEY found the key 4 months after the first search....that the tampered with blood vial came from them with Lenks name on the transfer form.....just wow. unbelievable.
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