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Old 01-06-2016, 09:25 AM   #76
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My whole theory rests on where the officer was when he first called in the plates. He had the plate numbers for her car AND knew what kind of car even before she was reported missing, and way before they found the car in the yard.
oh yes. THAT was very telling. and somehow it was just glossed over. did he EVER give a decent explanation for how it was that he called those plates in? not to my knowledge.

and the key appearing what....4 months after the first search....when Lenk was there....WHATEVER MAN! just ****ing WOW.
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:30 AM   #77
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I didn't really get that sense at all. The brother seemed fine to me, but they didn't really expand upon them or provide any background about their personality or criminal history. Family members will routinely search for closure, regardless of the circumstances, and I'm sure they thought Steven Avery was 100% guilty. Grief clouds good judgement.
the brother...he just acted kinda douchey. doesn't mean he's a killer, but I didn't like him and suspected him at first.

the ex-boyfriend is another thing. he deleted voice mails for crying out loud! doesn't mean he's a murderer...but it is certainly suspect behavior AND....who in the HELL know someone elses ****ing cell phone password. that's just BULLSHIT! I don't even know my wifes. but hey...they had their man...so why look at this guy!
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:35 AM   #78
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just finished this last night. from her brothers first appearance...and understand I did NOT know how this was going to end...I thought he was just so...the things he was saying...I thought HE might have killed her. his FIRST appearance on the show just after she went missing he was talking about "moving on". I was like....REALLY!
He needed resume fodder to earn him a permanent job within the Packers media relations department. So he hammed it up, for sure.
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:36 AM   #79
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So….we’re to believe that Avery is SOOOO ****ING STUPID that he killed her, parked her car on his property (there’s a crusher within about 100 FEET of where it was parked), left her key in his bedroom…and also…this is something I can’t believe wasn’t just beat to death…… mentioned….but as a defender I would have just beat this to death…. So I guess he burned the body over yonder and then transported 95% of the bones to his backyard fire pit! LOL REALLY! Because thinking logically about it, he would not have burned her body in his backyard fire pit and then transported only a handful of her remains over yonder. he would have tried to get them ALL out of his backyard. SHIRLEY we can all agree on that!

See my point. Like the dude on the stand said….typically when remains are moved….the spot where MOST of the remains are is where they were moved TO.

One more thing....amidst all of his incredible stupidity....he's smart enough to clean the murder area (whether that be the bedroom or the garage) so mutha humping thoroughly that they never found sheeeeit...oh...except for the key and the bullet that both had something in common....Lenk.

EDIT - I didn't know anything about Avery supposedly creeping the photographer out. so...is this factual or no?
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:44 AM   #80
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So….we’re to believe that Avery is SOOOO ****ING STUPID that he killed her, parked her car on his property (there’s a crusher within about 100 FEET of where it was parked), left her key in his bedroom…and also…this is something I can’t believe wasn’t just beat to death…… mentioned….but as a defender I would have just beat this to death…. So I guess he burned the body over yonder and then transported 95% of the bones to his backyard fire pit! LOL REALLY! Because thinking logically about it, he would not have burned her body in his backyard fire pit and then transported only a handful of her remains over yonder. he would have tried to get them ALL out of his backyard. SHIRLEY we can all agree on that!

See my point. Like the dude on the stand said….typically when remains are moved….the spot where MOST of the remains are is where they were moved TO.

One more thing....amidst all of his incredible stupidity....he's smart enough to clean the murder area (whether that be the bedroom or the garage) so mutha humping thoroughly that they never found sheeeeit...oh...except for the key and the bullet that both had something in common....Lenk.
Cleaning the trailer and the garage would have caused a worldwide Clorox shortage because 1) there would have been a shitload of blood had it gone down like the prosecution alleged and 2) there were about 15,928 pieces of junk in the garage that would need to be sanitized. Avery is half a retard so he probably couldn't even find bleach at the store, let alone sanitize the entire compound like a master criminal.
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Old 01-06-2016, 10:41 AM   #82
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I live in Manitowoc.

Big, big deal here. Natives are all in a buzz about it.
Did you know Steven Avery or the Avery's personally before all of this hoopla, do tell.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:05 AM   #83
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I'm going to make a list of things that I can remember that support both sides, to see how it adds up.

SUPPORT FOR STEVEN AVERY
1. Police had motive to plant or supplement evidence
2. There is no reason burnt bones would be in 3 different spots, while the main amount of Bones were in Avery's burn pit. If anything, there would be very few remains in Avery's burn pit and he would have moved them elsewhere.
3. Nobody with Calumet who searched the property the 1st and 2nd time ever saw the key. Manitwoc officers end up finding the key, after nobody else had.
4. Lenz & Colburn both were with the police force back when Avery was convicted falsely of the 1985 rape.
5. Colburn suspiciously calls in Hallbach's plate 2 days before the vehicle is even found to check who's it is. He already knows what vehicle it is. Then he cannot recall how he got that information.
6. The 1985 vial of Avery's blood was tampered with. Fact. There was a hole the size of a hypodermic needle in the top.
7. Avery has a trash compactor and routinely uses it, there is no reason he would just leave the car sitting on the property.
8. Avery's phone call with his fiance around 5pm and 8pm do not seem to indicate any strange life changing activity was going on. If he had committed such crimes, that would not have left him with much time to clean up as they alleged and he would be more likely to just not answer the phone, or keep the phone calls very short making an excuse he had to sleep or go somewhere.
9. The bus driver (who is the most reliable witness) disproves Bobby Dasseys timeline.
10. Bobby Dassey and his step dad alibi themselves, yet the bus driver disproves their timeline.
11. There is no DNA evidence in the garage or trailer of blood. The floor in fact had traces of other DNA of people in the Avery family, if it was bleached, there was not be any DNA to begin with.
12. We are to believe that Avery is such a homicidal psychopath that he couldn't wait a few months until he received a fat settlement that he was undoubtedly about to get?
13. Manitwoc officers magically get a premonition that they need to search the garage, again. After it was already searched. My magically find a bullet, yet no other DNA. So Avery scrubbed the garage head to toe, all of the hundreds of loose items in there, and just said, ah screw it I'll just leave the bullet fragment just sitting on the ground.



SUPPORT FOR PROSECUTION
1. Support for throwing cat over a fire, can possibly show that Avery could have psychopathic tendencies. This all depends on how it occurred though
2. Victim remains found on his property
3. Last to see the victim
4. Car found on property

Reasonable doubt. That is all you need. There certainly is reasonable doubt. Even if you THINK Avery probably or might have done it, if you aren't REALLY REALLY sure, you cannot convict him.
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Does anybody know more about the incident where Steven Avery "threw a cat on the fire"? Was he just messing around drunk with a bunch of people, or was it that he was mad, threw the cat in the fire to kill it? If it was the latter, it could help support he was a psychopath
From my understanding, he didn't throw a cat IN the fire, but rather over it, and the cat caught fire. Basically, he wasn't trying to kill a cat, he was just being a jackass. At least that's what he says.

I would like to note however that Avery has this tendency to find himself in bad situations and yet it never seems to be his fault...is he one of those people who like to go through life always being the victim of bad circumstance? Because often times those people bring those bad circumstances on there own.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:29 AM   #85
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From my understanding, he didn't throw a cat IN the fire, but rather over it, and the cat caught fire. Basically, he wasn't trying to kill a cat, he was just being a jackass. At least that's what he says.

I would like to note however that Avery has this tendency to find himself in bad situations and yet it never seems to be his fault...is he one of those people who like to go through life always being the victim of bad circumstance? Because often times those people bring those bad circumstances on there own.
I don't know if I agree with that or not. It appeared on the documentary he didn't fight any of the previous cases against, and expressed remorse for those. Didn't say he didn't do it, etc. He may have just been painted in that light for the purposes of proving the point of the documentary, though.
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Does anybody know more about the incident where Steven Avery "threw a cat on the fire"? Was he just messing around drunk with a bunch of people, or was it that he was mad, threw the cat in the fire to kill it? If it was the latter, it could help support he was a psychopath
A 2005 AP story reported he doused the cat in gasoline and threw it in the fire, which is a little different than his version in the documentary in which he said he basically just tossed the cat over the fire.
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A 2005 AP story reported he doused the cat in gasoline and threw it in the fire, which is a little different than his version in the documentary in which he said he basically just tossed the cat over the fire.
That is terrible. That makes me lean more towards that he may have done it. Even if he did do it, it's almost a certainty that evidence was planted.
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That is terrible. That makes me lean more towards that he may have done it. Even if he did do it, it's almost a certainty that evidence was planted.
I am open to the idea that he did it. However, I am not open to the idea that the state had enough of a case to convict him.

Maybe someone can help me here. It seems awfully weird that the same judge that presided over the original trial also resides over the appeals as well. That seems like a conflict of interest. It also happened in the West Memphis Three trials and appeals. It just seems like a retarded policy.
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Was this something covered in the documentary, or is this from personal knowledge (EDTA)? Yeah, it's pretty sketchy no matter how you slice it.
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I also think if Avery did it, he'd have used the smelter in the auto yard, not a fire pit. They'd have never found her remains encased in pot metal ingots.
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