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Old 12-30-2015, 12:48 PM  
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:06 AM   #136
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2. What went on with the jury deliberations?

The much more interesting part about Mahler is his new allegation that two fellow jurors were related to officials in Manitowoc County, where Avery was initially wrongfully convicted. Once the trial was over, Mahler discovered, "[one juror] was the father of a Manitowoc County Sheriff's deputy," and that "another juror, his wife works for the Manitowoc County Clerk's Office," according to an interview he gave to People.

Maybe that's what defense attorney Jerry Buting was getting at in the final episode, when he made a comment about unanswered questions that he had about jury deliberations. After all, according to Mahler, the original count was that only three jurors were convinced Avery was guilty. In an interview with the Today show, filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos said a juror contacted them after the series aired and claimed his or her decision to vote guilty was made under duress. "The person lived in the county, feared for their safety, and also said, 'If they could frame Steven Avery, they could do it to me,'" Ricciardi said in a follow up interview with Time.

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Old 01-14-2016, 08:36 AM   #137
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YES!!!

I noticed the listing on Netflix as "Season 1"....so perhaps they will follow the exoneration proceedings as well. I want him out before either of his parents pass.
This case is so damn much like the West Memphis Three that it's scary. If it continues to follow that path, there will be at least a few more hours of shows to follow the post-conviction stuff. The West Memphis Three HBO specials (called "Paradise Lost") are interesting in that part 1 just followed the trial and really didn't say anything about guilt/innocence. Part 2, 10 years later, introduced some questions and concerns that people had about the trial. Part 3, almost 10 years after that, basically just said, "holy shit, get those guys the **** out of prison!".
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:19 AM   #138
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Old 01-14-2016, 12:22 PM   #139
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My biggest question...how in the **** is Brendan Dassey's original lawyer, Len Kachinsky, still allowed to practice law?

The guy has his investigator pull a detailed written confession, complete with illustrations, out of Dassey. When that scene started, I had to rewind it to confirm it was actually Dassey's own people doing this because I was sure it had to be the prosecution making him confess.

Then Kachinsky sends Dassey, with the written and illustrated confession, to talk to the prosecution--without Kachinsky even present. WTF?!
Never seen or heard of anything like it. Just ****ing bizarre.
The 1st time I saw that, I honestly thought his attorney was just trying to make a point. Trying to make a video to show how suggestible Dassey was to show to the court. Then it occurred to me they are actually trying to make this poor idiot kid say he did the these things, because they are lazy.
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Old 01-14-2016, 03:37 PM   #140
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"God I apologize...I keep thinking of the ribbon....."

I wanted to kick his ass so bad. So damn fake.
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yeah whatever dude
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Old 01-14-2016, 03:44 PM   #141
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wow.
yeah #2 goes a LOOOOOONG way towards me better understanding how in the hell those jurors all voted to convict!
in a perfect world you'd stick to your guns and say...no ****ing way you guys can sit there and honestly say you don't have reasonable doubt....but I get it.

you're on a jury with relatives of the cops who are under fire! I get it...I can see why someone said this.

"If they could frame Steven Avery, they could do it to me,'"
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Old 01-14-2016, 04:16 PM   #142
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My wife and I thought it was strange how the police insisted that Averys girlfriend Jodi stay away from him during the trial. Interesting article popped up today...looks like that may have been staged to get her out of an abusive situation with Avery.

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Steven Avery's Ex-Girlfriend's Confession Might Change Our Minds About His Innocence
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In a shocking update Wednesday night, the ex-fiancée of convicted murderer Steven Avery told the world "he's not innocent." Avery, the subject of Netflix's popular crime documentary Making a Murderer, is presumed by many to be innocent in the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach, a local photographer.

However, Jodi Stachowski's interview with HLN's Nancy Grace show has many viewers scratching their heads. "Steven's the one person I don't trust," Stachowski said in the interview, according to the Daily Beast. "He's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, behind closed doors, he's a monster." This revelation comes as a surprise to those who recognize Stachowski as a caring partner to Avery.

Stachowski told HLN senior producer Natisha Lance that she knew Avery was guilty of murder "because of the way I know he is." When the interviewer asked Stachowski if Avery was capable of murder, Stachowski acknowledged that he could have been.

"Yeah," Stachowski told Lance during the interview, as reported by the Daily Beast. "Hurting people. He told me once, excuse my language, 'all bitches owe him' because of the one that sent him to prison the first time. We all owed him."

Making a Murderer follows Avery, who spent 18 years in prison after being convicted of sexual assault in 1985. He was then exonerated and released in 2003, and then sentenced for the 2005 murder of Halbach, although the evidence is unclear. But Stachowski believes the time has come to reveal "what a monster he is," she said during the interview. "He's not innocent."

Avery met Stachowski in 2003, after his release from prison. Stachowski allegedly told directors Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos that she was not interested in being on Making A Murderer. "Steven called me and told me that if I didn't say anything good and nice about him, I'd pay," Stachowski told Lance, according to MTV. "He'd beat me."

Twitter had mixed reactions toward Stachowski's revelation, much of it skepticism.

Stachowski's two-year relationship with Avery was troubled, and filled with alleged abuse, according to Stachowski. "I ate two boxes of rat poison just so I could go to the hospital and get away from him and ask them to get the police to help me," she told Lance during the segment, according to the Daily Beast.

During the interview, Stachowski recalled Avery threatening to burn her house down, verbally threatening her and physically assaulting her. "I was in a bath and he threatened to throw a blow dryer in there, and he told me that he'd be able to get away with it," Stachowski told Lance.

"He'd beat me all the time, punch me, throw me against the wall. I tried to leave and he smashed the windshield out of my car so I couldn't leave him."

When asked if she believes Avery is guilty of killing Halbach, Stachowski said, "I do, because he threatened to kill me and my family and a friend of mine."

Stachowski, who maintains that she has never watched an episode of Making A Murderer, said the documentary is "all lies."

"It was all an act," Stachowski told Lance, the Daily Beast reported. "He told me how to act. He said smile, be happy. I didn't know what to do. I didn't want to get hurt."
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Old 01-14-2016, 04:27 PM   #143
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looks like that may have been staged to get her out of an abusive situation with Avery.
They staged arresting her multiple times to get her out of an abusive situation with a guy who was no threat to her on account of his being in jail?
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Old 01-14-2016, 04:41 PM   #144
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They staged arresting her multiple times to get her out of an abusive situation with a guy who was no threat to her on account of his being in jail?
Guess I missed that part of the documentary. It just seemed strange the police could basically put a restraining order to keep them from contacting each other when he was already behind bars.
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:35 PM   #145
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They staged arresting her multiple times to get her out of an abusive situation with a guy who was no threat to her on account of his being in jail?
Ya, I don't buy that at all.

Just like the Judge claiming his crimes got worse..WTF? guy was in prison for 18 years for a crime HE DIDN'T COMMIT.

Bottom line.. the State wasn't about to pay the guy after falsely accusing him TWICE.
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:23 PM   #146
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They staged arresting her multiple times to get her out of an abusive situation with a guy who was no threat to her on account of his being in jail?
It would not surprise me a bit if Nancy "The Un****able Monster" Grace fed her each and every line of that interview. That bitch thinks everyone is guilty all the time. She bled all over the screen for months after the Casey Anthony verdict.
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:37 PM   #147
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It would not surprise me a bit if Nancy "The Un****able Monster" Grace fed her each and every line of that interview. That bitch thinks everyone is guilty all the time. She bled all over the screen for months after the Casey Anthony verdict.
Nancy Grace = former prosecutor. One who was found to have conducted prosecutorial misconduct in two cases.
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Nancy Grace = former prosecutor. One who was found to have conducted prosecutorial misconduct in two cases.
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Old 01-15-2016, 07:59 AM   #149
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It would not surprise me a bit if Nancy "The Un****able Monster" Grace fed her each and every line of that interview. That bitch thinks everyone is guilty all the time. She bled all over the screen for months after the Casey Anthony verdict.
But...Of course, Casey Anthony actually was guilty. Doesnt matter how wrong the jury got it.

I don't see how the ex got locked up for smiling at her fiancé either? How does that break an illegal no contact order to begin with, when the cops are the ones that had them just happen to pass each other in jail?

How is that even possible?

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