Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 28

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**BossChief** · 03-06-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat2005

95% of the reports are saying the 34th pick + a 2nd or 3rd next year

So we have a ballpark idea of the compensation

Maybe that's to try and maintain value for the first overall pick...also, John Clayton said it was a swap of second round picks and then a conditional pick next year.

When multiple highly respected guys report different things about the same move, it means there has been no confirmation.

Why would they want it to stay hush hush unless there was a secret they wanted to keep?

Rasputin · 03-06-2013, 08:49 AM

One of the biggest complaints from fans this franchise may address this offseason is the lack of or no QB competition for the last 100 years. That is if they draft Geno Smith we could see a real QB battle unfold and that would be cool as ****. They may have traded for Alex Smith and I hate that but with them retaining Brandon Albert another year they open the option to still take QB at number 1 pick.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-06-2013, 08:51 AM

Geno is the only pick that makes sense at 1-1.

Wildcat2005 · 03-06-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Maybe that's to try and maintain value for the first overall pick...also, John Clayton said it was a swap of second round picks and then a conditional pick next year.

When multiple highly respected guys report different things about the same move, it means there has been no confirmation.

Why would they want it to stay hush hush unless there was a secret they wanted to keep?

I thought Clayton said that and then rectracted it?

Guys like Glazer and Schefter are legit IMO, and both said 34th + 2nd or 3rd next year
Or Schefter actually said "34th + similar pick next year"

Outside of Clayton I havent seen any "swap 2nds" reports

If the premise of you argument hinges on Schefter and Glazer being wrong, I think it is a longshot at best

Unless you think that they still would draft a qb at 1.1 after giving up the 34th + a 2nd or 3rd next year for one?

**BossChief** · 03-06-2013, 09:27 AM

I didn't see John Clayton retract it.

Wildcat2005 · 03-06-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I didn't see John Clayton retract it.

I could of swore I read on here he rectracted it
I asked it because I was not sure but thought I read it on here he did

Regardless ESPN, the station he reports his info to, is saying like everyone else it was the 34th + a future 2nd or 3rd

I dont think the same guy who was adament Shanahan was coming to KC is the one to be trusted when everyone else is saying something different

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-06-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Geno is the only pick that makes sense at 1-1.

This. And all the Chief Fan ankle-yapping in the world does NOT change that salient fact.
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**RealSNR** · 03-06-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat2005

They gave up all of that for Griffin, to be the future of the franchise
Cousins was just a value 4th round pick for competition
The redskins did not give up premium picks for a stopgap

Why would a team with the worst record in the league give up multiple 2nd round picks(or a 2nd and 3rd) for a 1 year stopgap player?

How is 1 year of Alex Smith worth the 34th overal pick in the draft + a 2nd or 3rd rounder? Especially for a team that is more than a qb away from being a contender

I just highly highly doubt this is the strategy used by the Chiefs FO
We are not talking about a hall of famer at the end of his career trying to make one more run ala Favre and Manning
Just seems like way too much compensation given up for a player to then turn around and draft his replacement

The point is to pool together all the resources we have to find that great QB, knowing that if Alex Smith does his job properly this year, the Chiefs won't be in any kind of position to draft one of the top QBs in next year's draft.

Alex has got to be replaced at some point. Either that, or he needs to crawl up a tree, shit out and envelop himself in a chrysalis, and come out a few weeks later transformed into a beautiful magical franchise QB butterfly.

Rasputin · 03-06-2013, 12:08 PM

Something to remember is that the Packers did draft Aaron Rodgers when they had Brett Fafavre as starting QB. That is something Dorsey has mentioned during his opening press conference with us. This is very doable and makes Alex Smiff as a stop gap QB. I can live with it then.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-06-2013, 12:15 PM

That's true Tattoo, but Favre was alot older and they didn't just deal several quality picks to boot.

I want this to happen and it makes perfect sense to me, but the odds are very low of them thinking along the same lines.

Wildcat2005 · 03-06-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The point is to pool together all the resources we have to find that great QB, knowing that if Alex Smith does his job properly this year, the Chiefs won't be in any kind of position to draft one of the top QBs in next year's draft.

Alex has got to be replaced at some point. Either that, or he needs to crawl up a tree, shit out and envelop himself in a chrysalis, and come out a few weeks later transformed into a beautiful magical franchise QB butterfly.

Then just draft the qb and keep the premium picks to build around him

Im sure Geno Smith or whoever would rather have someone like a Terrance Williams out of Baylor to throw to for the next decade than a one year internship under Alex Smith

Is Andy Reid unable to cater an offense to a rookie?
If he really is the qb guru then surely he can adjust the playcalling and game planning to slowly bring the guy along without having him get too overwhelmed

As you see in today's NFL rookie qbs can have success, they don't have to be redshirted anymore

These draft picks the Chiefs are giving up are potential 10+ year starters
This is just way too much compensation for a nonelite player for me to think he is only viewed as a stop gap

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-06-2013, 01:13 PM

I'm looking forward to watching Geno hit Bowe in stride, and watching his YAC stack up to the moon. Excitement is back in KC!
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Pablo · 03-06-2013, 01:54 PM

The first two pages were awesome.

Dane, don't ever change. Just kept plugging away and moving the goalposts.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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03-06-2013, 08:49 AM	#407
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3505421	One of the biggest complaints from fans this franchise may address this offseason is the lack of or no QB competition for the last 100 years. That is if they draft Geno Smith we could see a real QB battle unfold and that would be cool as ****. They may have traded for Alex Smith and I hate that but with them retaining Brandon Albert another year they open the option to still take QB at number 1 pick.
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03-06-2013, 08:51 AM	#408
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03-06-2013, 09:27 AM	#410
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03-06-2013, 12:08 PM	#414
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3505421	Something to remember is that the Packers did draft Aaron Rodgers when they had Brett Fafavre as starting QB. That is something Dorsey has mentioned during his opening press conference with us. This is very doable and makes Alex Smiff as a stop gap QB. I can live with it then.
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03-06-2013, 12:15 PM	#415
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4008880	That's true Tattoo, but Favre was alot older and they didn't just deal several quality picks to boot. I want this to happen and it makes perfect sense to me, but the odds are very low of them thinking along the same lines. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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03-06-2013, 01:54 PM	#418
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