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Old 08-31-2011, 12:57 AM  
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Will the "Thomases" eventually stop Obamacare?

One "excellent" read but very long. I only pasted the first segment here in this thread so just go to the link for the rest. For those who bought into the argument that Clarence Thomas just shadows Scalia and is no intellectual giant better think again.

Toobin of the New Yorker who is a big Progressive Lib writes an excellent piece about Thomas and his wife and how they are working against Obamacare and creating the "Constitutional Infrastructure Argument" ahead of time so as to defeat Obamacare by the time it hits the SC for a decision.

Toobin writes this piece IMO for 2 big reasons. 1)He is alerting his Marxist friends that Thomas is not F'ing around and is to be taken serious because he has been very successful in any legal argument against liberalism he pursues. 2) Which means now the "Alinskyizing of Clarence and his wife must begin with the intensity never seen before in hopes that the public will want Thomas to be recused, step down because of a conflict of interest.

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Will Clarence and Virginia Thomas succeed in killing Obama’s health-care plan? by Jeffrey Toobin

August 29, 2011 .As the Justice has assumed an influential role on the Roberts Court, his wife has helped lead the public war against the Administration.

It has been, in certain respects, a difficult year for Clarence Thomas. In January, he was compelled to amend several years of the financial-disclosure forms that Supreme Court Justices must file each year. The document requires the Justices to disclose the source of all income earned by their spouses, and Thomas had failed to note that his wife, Virginia, who is known as Ginni, worked as a representative for a Michigan college and at the Heritage Foundation.

The following month, seventy-four members of Congress called on Thomas to recuse himself from any legal challenges to President Obama’s health-care reform, because his wife has been an outspoken opponent of the law. At around the same time, Court observers noted the fifth anniversary of the last time that Thomas had asked a question during an oral argument. The confluence of these events produced the kind of public criticism, and even mockery, that Thomas had largely managed to avoid since his tumultuous arrival on the Court, twenty years ago this fall.

These tempests obscure a larger truth about Thomas: that this year has also been, for him, a moment of triumph. In several of the most important areas of constitutional law, Thomas has emerged as an intellectual leader of the Supreme Court. Since the arrival of Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., in 2005, and Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr., in 2006, the Court has moved to the right when it comes to the free-speech rights of corporations, the rights of gun owners, and, potentially, the powers of the federal government; in each of these areas, the majority has followed where Thomas has been leading for a decade or more. Rarely has a Supreme Court Justice enjoyed such broad or significant vindication.

The conventional view of Thomas takes his lack of participation at oral argument as a kind of metaphor. The silent Justice is said to be an intellectual nonentity, a cipher for his similarly conservative colleague, Antonin Scalia. But those who follow the Court closely find this stereotype wrong in every particular. Thomas has long been a favorite of conservatives, but they admire the Justice for how he gives voice to their cause, not just because he votes their way. “Of the nine Justices presently on the Court, he is the one whose opinions I enjoy reading the most,” Steve Calabresi, a professor at the Northwestern University School of Law and a co-founder of the Federalist Society, said. “They are very scholarly, with lots of historical sources, and his views are the most principled, even among the conservatives. He has staked out some bold positions, and then the Court has set out and moved in his direction.”

Thomas’s intellect and his influence have also been recognized by those who generally disagree with his views. According to Akhil Reed Amar, a professor at Yale Law School, Thomas’s career resembles that of Hugo Black, the former Alabama senator who served from 1937 to 1971 and is today universally regarded as a major figure in the Court’s history. “Both were Southerners who came to the Court young and with very little judicial experience,” Amar said. (Thomas is from Georgia.) “Early in their careers, they were often in dissent, sometimes by themselves, but they were content to go their own way. But once Earl Warren became Chief Justice the Court started to come to Black. It’s the same with Thomas and the Roberts Court. Thomas’s views are now being followed by a majority of the Court in case after case.”


The implications of Thomas’s leadership for the Court, and for the country, are profound. Thomas is probably the most conservative Justice to serve on the Court since the nineteen-thirties. More than virtually any of his colleagues, he has a fully wrought judicial philosophy that, if realized, would transform much of American government and society. Thomas’s views both reflect and inspire the Tea Party movement, which his wife has helped lead almost since its inception. The Tea Party is a diffuse operation, and it can be difficult to pin down its stand on any given issue. Still, the Tea Party is unusual among American political movements in its commitment to a specific view of the Constitution—one that accords, with great precision, with Thomas’s own approach. For decades, various branches of the conservative movement have called for a reduction in the size of the federal government, but for the Tea Party, and for Thomas, small government is a constitutional command.

In his jurisprudence, Thomas may be best known for his belief in a “color-blind Constitution”; that is, one that forbids any form of racial preference or affirmative action. But color blind, for Thomas, is not blind to race. Thomas finds a racial angle on a broad array of issues, including those which appear to be scarcely related to traditional civil rights, like campaign finance or gun control. In Thomas’s view, the Constitution imposes an ideal of racial self-sufficiency, an extreme version of the philosophy associated with Booker T. Washington, whose portrait hangs in his chambers. (This personal gallery also includes Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher.)

In recent weeks, two federal courts of appeals have reached opposing conclusions about the constitutionality of the 2010 health-care law; the Sixth Circuit, in Cincinnati, upheld it, while the Eleventh Circuit, in Atlanta, struck down its requirement that all Americans buy health insurance. This conflict means that the Supreme Court will almost certainly agree to review the case this fall, with a decision expected by June of next year. It is likely to be the most important case for the Justices since Bush v. Gore, and it will certainly be the clearest test yet of Thomas’s ascendancy at the Court. Thomas’s entire career as a judge has been building toward the moment when he would be able to declare that law unconstitutional. It would be not only a victory for his approach to the Constitution but also, it seems, a defeat for the enemies who have pursued him for so long: liberals, law professors, journalists—the group that Thomas refers to collectively as “the élites.” Thomas’s triumph over the health-care law and its supporters is by no means assured, but it is now tantalizingly within reach.



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Old 11-16-2012, 05:22 PM   #31
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I'm looking for a short version answer for a question on the ACA.....

I've read in a few places that the penalty only applies to businesses with greater than 30 or 50 employees? Our company currently has around 23 employees and just curious exactly how this will affect us...if at all.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:29 PM   #33
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:29 PM   #34
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:37 PM   #35
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I'm looking for a short version answer for a question on the ACA.....

I've read in a few places that the penalty only applies to businesses with greater than 30 or 50 employees? Our company currently has around 23 employees and just curious exactly how this will affect us...if at all.
The penalty only applies to you if you have both 50 FTE's (full-time equivalents, ie 2 half-timers = 1 full-timer) AND more than 30 full-time employees.

40 full-timers? no penalty. 25 full-timers and 50 half-timers? no penalty.

If you are subject to the penalty for not offering insurance, then it is $2,000 for each full-time employee over 30. So if you have 30 full-timers and 40 half-timers you have no penalty, and from there the 31st full-timer costs you $2,000.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:38 PM   #38
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The penalty only applies to you if you have both 50 FTE's (full-time equivalents, ie 2 half-timers = 1 full-timer) AND more than 30 full-time employees.

40 full-timers? no penalty. 25 full-timers and 50 half-timers? no penalty.

If you are subject to the penalty for not offering insurance, then it is $2,000 for each full-time employee over 30. So if you have 30 full-timers and 40 half-timers you have no penalty, and from there the 31st full-timer costs you $2,000.

Thank you. Just trying to get the correct info so we know what to expect. Sounds like it won't affect our business.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:50 PM   #39
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I posted this in another thread, but it belongs here:

My wife works in HR, and basically says that companies are scrambling right now to find the loopholes in ObamaCare. She says the first one that companies are eyeing is the one that says you don't have to provide healthcare for workers under 30 hours. She says that 20-25 hour work weeks are going to be a common thing in the near future. She sees a day where many people have two 20 hour jobs thanks to this mess.
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