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Old 11-14-2017, 01:24 PM  
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Alright, gun rights folks. You say the problem is mental health.

For years on this forum and pretty much anywhere I discuss gun control with 2nd amendment absolutists like many on this forum, I argue that we need gun control in various forms.

In addition to some of the more radical notions that "2nd amendment rights" are absolute, I also frequently hear that America actually has a mental health problem, not a gun problem.

This is an argument that many of you have aired.

So, I am asking for what policies you want to be seen to deal with mental illness.

Here we have a kid losing his shit on social media, and by all accounts is probably at-risk for doing something horrendous at some point (NSFW):



Feel free to ignore the text that frames the video by Occupy Democrats, as it's worthless. Focus on my question.

Now, obviously losing your shit in front of a camera does not mean you will shoot up a crowd of people, but I think if we're all putting together a profile of someone who could eventually do that, he fits the profile. (Also, imagine if this guy were black or Muslim.)

What is it, exactly, that the gun enthusiasts in this forum who believe America's problem is mental health, suggest that we do with this individual?

C'mon, folks. You told me the problem is mental health policy. Explain to me how you fix it to address people who fly off the handle and say crazy, violent shit like this.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:30 PM   #2
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:37 PM   #3
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It's mental health. That kid has a serious mental health issue.

I'm not sure I get what you're trying to prove here. I don't want that kid to have access to guns because he's clearly a ****ing nut.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:38 PM   #4
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:39 PM   #5
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I don't. I say it's the mental health profession's overuse of psychotropic drugs like SSRI's which have label warnings on psychotic violence as a known side-effect. All such mass shooters were either on them or on and off such drugs and you can date these mass shootings to the use of these drugs.

Most mentally ill are not violent.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:41 PM   #6
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Video won't play for me. Can you post a few quotes?
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:42 PM   #7
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I don't. I say it's the mental health profession's overuse of psychotropic drugs like SSRI's which have label warnings on psychotic violence as a known side-effect. All such mass shooters were either on them or on and off such drugs and you can date these mass shootings to the use of these drugs.

Most mentally ill are not violent.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:43 PM   #8
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It's mental health. That kid has a serious mental health issue.

I'm not sure I get what you're trying to prove here. I don't want that kid to have access to guns because he's clearly a ****ing nut.
I'm trying to get specific policy suggestions from the pro gun rights folks, like perhaps yourself, who argue that mental health is the problem, not a lack of gun control.

So you're saying that the government should be able to survey social media, and when violent, vicious rhetoric is broadcast by one of these individuals, it should be reported to the government so that this individual should be banned from purchasing or possessing firearms?

I should note, by the way, that this doesn't really help his mental health. It just takes his guns.

If I'm misunderstanding your policy suggestion, please let me know.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:43 PM   #9
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Is mental health the problem, pete? Or is it a lack of gun control?
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:45 PM   #10
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Video won't play for me. Can you post a few quotes?
Basically a kid -- I'm going to guess 13 or 14, screaming the n-word into the camera, saying if "you come near me" you'll get shot, axed, or stabbed. He points a gun right at the camera and keeps screaming and shouting about how he's going to lay you to waste.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:46 PM   #11
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I see a fine white conservative evangelical gentleman expressing his constitutional rights of freedom of speech as well as his constitutional right to bear arms.

Freaking libtards - everything has to be about race....

Oh yeah - Hillary uranium , Obama Muslim.

Ok now we have the typical responses out of the way.....

We have both gun and mental health issues. Solve the easiest one - the one that can do the most harm. No one needs a military style weapon for home defense or hunting.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:47 PM   #12
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Feel free to ignore the text that frames the video by Occupy Democrats, as it's worthless. Focus on my question.
Not possible to ignore that text and focus on your question.
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I see a fine white conservative evangelical gentleman expressing his constitutional rights of freedom of speech as well as his constitutional right to bear arms.

Freaking libtards - everything has to be about race....

Oh yeah - Hillary uranium , Obama Muslim.

Ok now we have the typical responses out of the way.....

We have both gun and mental health issues. Solve the easiest one - the one that can do the most harm. No one needs a military style weapon for home defense or hunting.
You fool. If you use a bazooka for hunting, that's a hunting rifle.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:48 PM   #14
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Not possible to ignore that text and focus on your question.
Shrug. Then you don't have to ignore it.
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You fool. If you use a bazooka for hunting, that's a hunting rifle.
I stand corrected.
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