What makes a first-round left tackle bust?

[Rain Man]

You take a guy like Jason Smith. Obviously he's been a disappointment to the Rams, but why?

When you look at an offensive tackle, you measure him, and that's pretty obviously objective. You can watch a ton of game tape on him to see how he plays in real-life situations. You can time how fast he gets into pass protection and how agile he is. Maybe it's harder to measure whether he can react to audibles, but really, if he's got elite measurables it seems like even if he screws that up he can get in someone's way.

So why is Jason Smith a bust? He was deemed an ultra-safe pick. What is he not doing, and was there some way it could have been measured? And not just him, but also Robert Gallery, Kwame Harris, Trezelle Jenkins (sigh), Mike Williams, Kenyatta Walker, Stockar McDougle, and so on.

Or for that matter, just stick to Jason and Gallery since they were ultra-high picks. Trezelle was known to be a project.

It just seems like there are relatively few variables that are critical for an offensive lineman, and that all of them should be identified and measured by now. These are, after all, multimillion dollar investments.

[Sorter]

I'd say coaching, offensive philsophies/scheme, QB play, and play design (ties into OPhil) are all factors.

Additionally, different learning curves, the quality of the teachers the player has at his position, how much they dedicate themselves both on and off the field, and their intelligence are all factors that play a crucial role.

Nearly all of the 2nd paragraph's qualities are impossible for a fan to know sans inside information.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

I'd say coaching, offensive philsophies/scheme, QB play, and play design (ties into OPhil) are all factors.

Additionally, different learning curves, the quality of the teachers the player has at his position, how much they dedicate themselves both on and off the field, and their intelligence are all factors that play a crucial role.

Nearly all of the 2nd paragraph's qualities are impossible for a fan to know sans inside information.

Nice post.

It seems like the quality of teachers can't be controlled, because every team will believe that they have quality teachers.

One would presume that the other Paragraph 2 things could be gleaned from interviews. One challenge, I guess, is that the college coaches may pump a guy up in interviews because they want their guy to go high, but it seems like lying would have a long-term impact on their credibility. (I'm looking at you, John Bunting, and your lies about Ryan Sims.) If I was an NFL team, I'd probably be talking to professors, restaurant workers, tutors, and others who don't have a vested interest.

On your first paragraph, that almost argues that the player isn't a bust, but rather that the team didn't do their homework or the team is self-delusional. Is there anything a team could do better to figure out if a left tackle is a fit with their philosophy?

And I guess the QB play can't be controlled. You either have Matt Cassel or you don't.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Nice post.

It seems like the quality of teachers can't be controlled, because every team will believe that they have quality teachers. True. This is why you probably need collaboration and in-depth interview process with all position coaches that the HC wants to hire (if you're a GM). It doesn't work that way though

One would presume that the other Paragraph 2 things could be gleaned from interviews. One challenge, I guess, is that the college coaches may pump a guy up in interviews because they want their guy to go high, but it seems like lying would have a long-term impact on their credibility. (I'm looking at you, John Bunting, and your lies about Ryan Sims.) If I was an NFL team, I'd probably be talking to professors, restaurant workers, tutors, and others who don't have a vested interest.
True and those are all sources I'd definitely interview as well as a few others. I'd also ensure that I saw how practices went. Whether those are closed to scouts entirely, I'm not sure
On your first paragraph, that almost argues that the player isn't a bust, but rather that the team didn't do their homework or the team is self-delusional. Is there anything a team could do better to figure out if a left tackle is a fit with their philosophy? As to the last sentence, probably not. You just really have to do your homework well.

And I guess the QB play can't be controlled. You either have Matt Cassel or you don't.

Last sentence=yup.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Watch the Chiefs carefully for the next 4 years, and you'll have your answer.

[Crush]

[RealSNR]

I'll give you my opinion if you post in my thread I made just for you

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272214

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by SNR

I'll give you my opinion if you post in my thread I made just for you

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272214

Whoa, what's that? I must've missed it.

[BlackHelicopters]

Soon the Chiefs will serve up a how to screw up 1.1 tutorial.

[AustinChief]

Acclimating them to an extremely high pressure environment then swiftly placing them in a vacuum?

No, that really doesn't work... WAIT I have it! SLIM WHITMAN!





Do I win?

[CrazyPhuD]

Not having a Franchise QB to protect....

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Not having a Franchise QB to protect....

did willie roaf ever have a franchise QB to protect?
Ogden?
slater?

i'm sure i'm too old to think of them


QB kills an offense but it doesn't keep a left tackle from doing his job

[jspchief]

I watched nearly every game Gallery played in college. The guy was a beast. Dominant against the pass rush and punishing in the run game. And he came from college coaching that has turned out a lot of technically sound NFL linemen.

To this day I can't understand how he didn't become a great NFL player.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I watched nearly every game Gallery played in college. The guy was a beast. Dominant against the pass rush and punishing in the run game. And he came from college coaching that has turned out a lot of technically sound NFL linemen.

To this day I can't understand how he didn't become a great NFL player.

Yeah, me either. That guy seemed like a slam dunk, and there's just no reason for him to be mediocre.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I watched nearly every game Gallery played in college. The guy was a beast. Dominant against the pass rush and punishing in the run game. And he came from college coaching that has turned out a lot of technically sound NFL linemen.

To this day I can't understand how he didn't become a great NFL player.

short arms?