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Old 12-13-2017, 09:34 AM  
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:50 AM   #61
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you are right. I misread OTC and thought the 2M dead money was subtracted fromt that for some reason.

Either way I think we need him to stick around next year. I semi agree that a restructure would be nice, but why would he? Weak free agency class for defensive tackles and ends. His agent would probably tell him to just let us cut him and make more in FA.
I don't think it's that weak in the middle. Sure, it's thin at the top, but the 'fine starter' tier appears to be the same as it ever is. There are a lot of guys just like Bailey that will be available and most of them won't be entering their age 29 seasons. He's not a young player anymore and if teams are looking at mid-tier FAs, they're going to prefer younger ones and the potential they present.

Bailey's ability is pretty obvious at this point; he hasn't gotten a drop better in 3 years (in some ways he's gotten worse, IMO). I don't think there'd be a massive market for an obviously plateaued 29 yr old player who's new to whatever system he's put in (and is, to be completely frank, a very stupid man by all accounts).

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Old 12-13-2017, 11:59 AM   #62
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Was just saying that to a friend last night.
Truly believe 2015 was that year, BUT for the massive amount of injuries in the postseason, that team was poised to make noise IMO. Just had a MASH unit at the end.
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Truly believe 2015 was that year, BUT for the massive amount of injuries in the postseason, that team was poised to make noise IMO. Just had a MASH unit at the end.
Yeah that team was playing well down the stretch

The ware and Houston injuries sucked
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:04 PM   #65
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Nobody is scary this year O. Anyone can be beaten. We may get a Bottles "Flacco" fluke run.
Did Mahommes take over the starting QB spot?

If not then no, that's not gonna happen...ever.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:25 PM   #66
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Yes, which is why it's difficult to see the Chiefs move on from Bailey, Parker, Sorenson and maybe even Zombo.

Smith, DJ and Hali are definitely goners but that might be the extent of the big contract guys.

While Gaines isn't likely to return, it would be surprising to see them give up on a guy like Acker, who will likely play for Vet Minimum. If Revis finds the Fountain of Youth in 2017, it wouldn't be surprising to see him stick in 2018.

Veach will need to draft extremely well and make trades like he did this year for the Chiefs to be competitive in 2018, especially considering their most recent 2-8 run.
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Yes, which is why it's difficult to see the Chiefs move on from Bailey, Parker, Sorenson and maybe even Zombo.

Smith, DJ and Hali are definitely goners but that might be the extent of the big contract guys.

While Gaines isn't likely to return, it would be surprising to see them give up on a guy like Acker, who will likely play for Vet Minimum. If Revis finds the Fountain of Youth in 2017, it wouldn't be surprising to see him stick in 2018.

Veach will need to draft extremely well and make trades like he did this year for the Chiefs to be competitive in 2018, especially considering their most recent 2-8 run.
Yeah, I can see that.

Thing is, they were only a few plays from it going either way in a lot of those games, as bad as they played. Very easily could have been 4-2 thru it, or even better.

I don't think it'll take a lot to turn around the defense but what they need, isn't easy to find. An OLB that isn't shit, another DL or 2 and a corner.

A lot of it is going to have to be guys already here improving and or continue to play well.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:35 PM   #68
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You have to consider that the 2018 team will essentially be adding Eric Berry to what we have seen this year... that's a major difference maker for a defense. They should be better for that alone.
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Yeah, I can see that.

Thing is, they were only a few plays from it going either way in a lot of those games, as bad as they played. Very easily could have been 4-2 thru it, or even better.

I don't think it'll take a lot to turn around the defense but what they need, isn't easy to find. An OLB that isn't shit, another DL or 2 and a corner.

A lot of it is going to have to be guys already here improving and or continue to play well.
Had the Chiefs not lost Berry, Ware and Conley for the season and had Mitch Morse been able to stay healthy, this team would most likely be at least 9-3 at this point if not 11-1.

But the fact of the matter is that Houston and Berry will be 29 years old to start next season and no one know how Berry, Conley and Ware are able to perform.

Veach will need to hit on at least 3 players in the draft, meaning Week 1 impact players, and guys like Chesson, Robinson, Ragland, Eligwe, Jones and Kpassognon will need to ascend.

That's a lot to ask, especially with what will essentially be a rookie starting QB.
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The defense wouldn't be as shitty if they had another OLB that didn't suck rushing the passer like Zombo and the DL played with intensity all the time.

Exhibit A: Last Sunday.
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Had the Chiefs not lost Berry, Ware and Conley for the season and had Mitch Morse been able to stay healthy, this team would most likely be at least 9-3 at this point if not 11-1.

But the fact of the matter is that Houston and Berry will be 29 years old to start next season and no one know how Berry, Conley and Ware are able to perform.

Veach will need to hit on at least 3 players in the draft, meaning Week 1 impact players, and guys like Chesson, Robinson, Ragland, Eligwe, Jones and Kpassognon will need to ascend.

That's a lot to ask, especially with what will essentially be a rookie starting QB.
I think with better offensive production in a few games or better defensive intensity/play, they'd have 2 losses with what they've got now.

Those guys hurt losing though for sure. If Mahomes opens up the offense a little more than Smith does, which isn't likely early Smith has been good this year, it'll go along way.

I'm interested to see how the rest of the year plays out. They seemed to have a defeatist mentality after the Steeler loss that took a while to get over. Hopefully thats done.
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The defense wouldn't be as shitty if they had another OLB that didn't suck rushing the passer like Zombo and the DL played with intensity all the time.

Exhibit A: Last Sunday.
Tanoh played pretty well for a guy who is just getting his feet wet. He's had a few pressures so far.

It's perplexing why they won't increase his snap count and get him rushing the passer.

It's crazy that the guy only needs to take 2 steps and he's in the QB's face because his arms are so damn long.
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Tanoh played pretty well for a guy who is just getting his feet wet. He's had a few pressures so far.

It's perplexing why they won't increase his snap count and get him rushing the passer.

It's crazy that the guy only needs to take 2 steps and he's in the QB's face because his arms are so damn long.
It's basically what they've always done with rookies. They don't play them a lot early.
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Naw, I think a pass rusher can rush the passer in any scheme

Rush the passer, sure, but unless you’re planning on paying him $20m per year to only play 3rd downs he’ll have other responsibilities. Can he rush the passer at 3-4 DE and also take on double teams in the run game? Does he have the lateral mobility to drop into coverage at 3-4 OLB when we decide not to send him after the QB? Can he rush from the interior as opposed to the edge?
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Rush the passer, sure, but unless you’re planning on paying him $20m per year to only play 3rd downs he’ll have other responsibilities. Can he rush the passer at 3-4 DE and also take on double teams in the run game? Does he have the lateral mobility to drop into coverage at 3-4 OLB when we decide not to send him after the QB? Can he rush from the interior as opposed to the edge?
Yeah but think about how much we're in the nickle or dime packages.
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