Chiefs Conley runs with 1st with Wilson hurt - Page 4

Mother****erJones · 08-31-2015, 07:29 PM

Chris Conley - WR - Chiefs
Chiefs third-round WR Chris Conley ran with the starting offense at Monday's practice.
With Albert Wilson (shoulder) hurt, Conley is getting his chance to run opposite Jeremy Maclin. Before Wilson even got hurt last week, he was having a really quiet camp and preseason while Conley caught 3-of-5 targets for 30 yards in his first action of the preseason over the weekend. Wilson has speed, but isn't very big. Conley (6'3/205) was a draftnik favorite as a metrics freak with 4.35 wheels, 45-inch vertical, and 11-foot-7 broad jump. He's in the mix for No. 2 duties.

O.city · 09-01-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No one is comparing him to Dat. He might be 6-3", but he's only 210lbs, so it's not like he's a big receiver.

There's a reason he fell to the 3rd round. I think it's reasonable to discuss some of the tools he may be lacking that allowed a guy with outstanding measureables to slip that far.

It's far too early to say what kind of career he'll have and i hope he has a great one, but i think he lacks that suddenness that separates the good from the great.

Well, as much as they argue against it, production hurt him in college some.

But he hasn't really shown anything different than what was discussed foe why he dropped, imo

prhom · 09-01-2015, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

People obviously didn't watch the game. The guy drew a penalty bc he smoked the DB and he had no choice but to interfere with Conley.

I watched it, but don't recall this. That's a good sign. My main impression is coming from watching his returns and I think you'd agree that he hasn't beem very dynamic doing that. I'll admit I didn't analyze every play he had, but my general reaction was that he doesn't look as fast as I thought he'd be. Clearly I need to pay closer attention!

**Rausch** · 09-01-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

There's a reason he fell to the 3rd round.

That reason is he's raw and he needs a good season of NFL conditioning.

He doesn't fight worth a $3it off the snap and he's not full body strong.

That will come with time and a real season of NFL prep will do him wonders. He's smart and he works hard. He'll be a huge weapon in the future...

ModSocks · 09-01-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by prhom

I watched it, but don't recall this. That's a good sign. My main impression is coming from watching his returns and I think you'd agree that he hasn't beem very dynamic doing that. I'll admit I didn't analyze every play he had, but my general reaction was that he doesn't look as fast as I thought he'd be. Clearly I need to pay closer attention!

That PI call was questionable at best, so it's hardly worth arguing about. Yes, he did get over the top. But his straight line speed isn't what im talking about.

Like you said, he doesn't have that "wiggle". That suddenness to him that i was expecting, considering his measurables.

However, as DJ pointed out, he had a mediocre cone drill, which could be indicative of that.

ModSocks · 09-01-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

That reason is he's raw and he needs a good season of NFL conditioning.

He doesn't fight worth a $3it off the snap and he's not full body strong.

I disagree. I think he lacks explosion and quickness. Speed does not equal quickness. NFL conditioning isn't going to change that.

I think he has some other traits that the team can really benefit from and i think he can still be productive in this league, im just saying me expectations have been lowered a bit is all. I don't think he'll ever be a #1.

O.city · 09-01-2015, 10:33 AM

Again, being that big is going to make it tough for him to be very "sudden and quick". He looks a little stiff in the hips, but I just don't know that he's ever going to look sudden

prhom · 09-01-2015, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

That PI call was questionable at best, so it's hardly worth arguing about. Yes, he did get over the top. But his straight line speed isn't what im talking about.

Like you said, he doesn't have that "wiggle". That suddenness to him that i was expecting, considering his measurables.

However, as DJ pointed out, he had a mediocre cone drill, which could be indicative of that.

Gotcha, I missed the post about the cone drill. I was about to go look that up, actually. It'll be interesting to watch him as the season goes on. We have lots of guys with "wiggle" so I'm not too worried about his lack of it. His college highlights looked pretty good so I'm sure he'll make up for it in other areas.

staylor26 · 09-01-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I disagree. I think he lacks explosion and quickness. Speed does not equal quickness. NFL conditioning isn't going to change that.

I think he has some other traits that the team can really benefit from and i think he can still be productive in this league, im just saying me expectations have been lowered a bit is all. I don't think he'll ever be a #1.

Lacks quickness? Yes. Lacks explosion? No.

ModSocks · 09-01-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Again, being that big is going to make it tough for him to be very "sudden and quick". He looks a little stiff in the hips, but I just don't know that he's ever going to look sudden

He won't look sudden because he isn't sudden and he never will be. He's stiff. His cone drill and his kick returns are evidence of that. He plays stiff. If he weren't, he'd look like AJ Green out there, who's the same height/weight.

Like i said, it's what separates the good from the great.

DJ's left nut · 09-01-2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

That reason is he's raw and he needs a good season of NFL conditioning.

He doesn't fight worth a $3it off the snap and he's not full body strong.

That will come with time and a real season of NFL prep will do him wonders. He's smart and he works hard. He'll be a huge weapon in the future...

That's why I actually think he's a far better slot option than Wilson this year.

Wilson has been through some wars out there - he's more likely to win the hand fights and know the tricks he needs to do with his feet/hips to find space before the chuck.

Conley doesn't know that yet. Moreover, he's probably just not strong enough yet to win on a lot of those one on one matchups. However, if you put him in the slot, he already has a little more space and he can use some inertia and size/leverage to keep DBs off him.

For this season, Conley is probably better used like the Giants used Cruz in his breakout 'rookie' year. He was used almost exclusively out of the slot that season and it helped him find space downfield.

As we go forward and Conley gets stronger and more used to the rigors of NFL defenses, he can move outside and Wilson can move to the slot. Right now (and likely all season), Wilson is better at the X with Conley in the slot.

ct · 09-01-2015, 10:39 AM

He was drafted as a speedy project. And he's never been a return man, that definitely shows. He's clueless back there honestly. May be doing more harm than good to even put him back there imo. but that's what you need from your bench WRs, ST and return guys.

I'm still hopeful he develops into a starting X quality WR, but with a lot of missed TC time, it may not happen this year, certainly not early in the year. Can still help as the 4 wide stretch out the defense guy right now though.

ModSocks · 09-01-2015, 10:42 AM

I think he caps out as a good #2. I was hoping he could develop into a #1, but i don't believe he has the quickness to reliably get open.

O.city · 09-01-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

He won't look sudden because he isn't sudden and he never will be. He's stiff. His cone drill and his kick returns are evidence of that. He plays stiff. If he weren't, he'd look like AJ Green out there, who's the same height/weight.

Like i said, it's what separates the good from the great.

Doesn't mean he never will be. Nfl strength and conditioning programs aren't all about muscle.

At his size, I don't really think he has to be in the mold of a smallish wr (Antonio brown, etc). So I agree with you, in a sense.

I'd like to see him in the Vincent Jackson type role/player.

staylor26 · 09-01-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's why I actually think he's a far better slot option than Wilson this year.

Wilson has been through some wars out there - he's more likely to win the hand fights and know the tricks he needs to do with his feet/hips to find space before the chuck.

Conley doesn't know that yet. Moreover, he's probably just not strong enough yet to win on a lot of those one on one matchups. However, if you put him in the slot, he already has a little more space and he can use some inertia and size/leverage to keep DBs off him.

For this season, Conley is probably better used like the Giants used Cruz in his breakout 'rookie' year. He was used almost exclusively out of the slot that season and it helped him find space downfield.

As we go forward and Conley gets stronger and more used to the rigors of NFL defenses, he can move outside and Wilson can move to the slot. Right now (and likely all season), Wilson is better at the X with Conley in the slot.

I like that idea. Exactly how the Eagles used Matthews last year.

**Rausch** · 09-01-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's why I actually think he's a far better slot option than Wilson this year.

Agreed.

I can think of 5 teams off the top of my head moving big vets to the slot this year. If you have a legit TE it's a matchup nightmare.

Years of Gonzo/Jimmy Gram have taught teams that a physical presence inside isn't a luxury, it's a necessity...

08-31-2015, 07:29 PM
Mother****erJones Can't Use That Disney Ass Name Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Charleston, SC Casino cash: $10015211	Conley runs with 1st with Wilson hurt Chris Conley - WR - Chiefs Chiefs third-round WR Chris Conley ran with the starting offense at Monday's practice. With Albert Wilson (shoulder) hurt, Conley is getting his chance to run opposite Jeremy Maclin. Before Wilson even got hurt last week, he was having a really quiet camp and preseason while Conley caught 3-of-5 targets for 30 yards in his first action of the preseason over the weekend. Wilson has speed, but isn't very big. Conley (6'3/205) was a draftnik favorite as a metrics freak with 4.35 wheels, 45-inch vertical, and 11-foot-7 broad jump. He's in the mix for No. 2 duties.
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09-01-2015, 10:33 AM	#51
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	Again, being that big is going to make it tough for him to be very "sudden and quick". He looks a little stiff in the hips, but I just don't know that he's ever going to look sudden
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ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	He was drafted as a speedy project. And he's never been a return man, that definitely shows. He's clueless back there honestly. May be doing more harm than good to even put him back there imo. but that's what you need from your bench WRs, ST and return guys. I'm still hopeful he develops into a starting X quality WR, but with a lot of missed TC time, it may not happen this year, certainly not early in the year. Can still help as the 4 wide stretch out the defense guy right now though.
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