Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 162

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

**BigRedChief** · 07-27-2018, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is where DeWitt needs to not be a dumbass. Any idiot can run a profitable organization in this climate; what's harder is to run a good one. Mo has dragged this team down to Carl Peterson levels.

He was talking about being “President of baseball operations”. He’s not the GM. Now we all know he calls the shots on trades, FA’s etc. so that’s just BS. I guess the current “GM” came up with a new formula to identify players. Only the Cardinals have it as long as he’s the “GM”. No matter WTF is up with that relationship, this shit is on Mo.

Watching the MLB broadcast. Morsei just said Goold told him that the last time the Cardinals were sellers at the deadline was 1990 when they traded Willie McGee.

Rams Fan · 07-27-2018, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is where DeWitt needs to not be a dumbass. Any idiot can run a profitable organization in this climate; what's harder is to run a good one. Mo has dragged this team down to Carl Peterson levels.

Wait till Mo hires his version of Gunther and signs Elvis Grbac before you say that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-27-2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Wait till Mo hires his version of Gunther and signs Elvis Grbac before you say that.

**BigRedChief** · 07-27-2018, 08:29 PM

I didn’t know the DFA’d Lyons. I thought he was hurt? Going to the minors? Why not just send him to the minors and see if he gets right? I don’t think Lyons was ever going to be a reliable bullpen pieces, but if He never shows anything, what are you out? What am I missing?

Rams Fan · 07-27-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think Matheny was DeWitt's guy.

Fowler is not a good comparison for Grbac.

I'll give you Leake and Holland.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-27-2018, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I didn’t know the DFA’d Lyons. I thought he was hurt? Going to the minors? Why not just send him to the minors and see if he gets right? I don’t think Lyons was ever going to be a reliable bullpen pieces, but if He never shows anything, what are you out? What am I missing?

Out of options. Had to DFA him if he wouldn't agree to DL stint. DFA allows them to send him to the minors if he's not claimed on waivers and agrees to reassignment.

Miles · 07-27-2018, 11:43 PM

Not saying he shouldn't have been dumped but Leake has been exactly that medicore innings eater for Seattle but the Cards are now paying for. Also that meh WAR production that was the high end of what he'd done in the past when the Cards paid him so much.

**BigRedChief** · 07-28-2018, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles

Not saying he shouldn't have been dumped but Leake has been exactly that medicore innings eater for Seattle but the Cards are now paying for. Also that meh WAR production that was the high end of what he'd done in the past when the Cards paid him so much.

We have to give it up to Mo. Thats one thing Mo has done well over the years. Whoever he traded or let go, has not come back to bite him in the ass. Most of his trades were buying in mid-season deadline trades. When the sellers usually rapes the buyer.

We are suffering now from Mo's bonehead FA signing's. He has never been good at FA signings. But, his trades are better.

Rasmus, Brett Wallace got us the 2011 World Series. So far it looks like in the Ozuna trade we didn't give up All-Stars.

Where Mo has screwed up was the trades that didn't happen. Prospects lose value. Perceived talent doesn't pan out.

Same with FA. He has went "safe". Vets who have done it before. Overpaid. And then missed on not signing a player, he should have signed(Scherzer).

Overall its not a good track record. He has made a ton of money for his boss. Not many business's fire employees who are making them a ton of money. In the end, he's not going anywhere.

**BigRedChief** · 07-28-2018, 07:24 AM

Viva el Birdos article on Cardinal players trade values

https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2018/7/...dline-analysis

jd1020 · 07-28-2018, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Viva el Birdos article on Cardinal players trade values

https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2018/7/...dline-analysis

I wonder how long the conversation would be with the Brewers when you asked for Keston Hiura and offered Tommy Pham.

**BigRedChief** · 07-28-2018, 02:27 PM

What’s Norris’s trade value right now? We don’t need him for the next 6 weeks. No way are we signing him next year. Someone wants to give us a prospect, why would we not oblige them?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-28-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

What’s Norris’s trade value right now? We don’t need him for the next 6 weeks. No way are we signing him next year. Someone wants to give us a prospect, why would we not oblige them?

Eighty percent of Familia?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-28-2018, 04:49 PM

**BigRedChief** · 07-28-2018, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Eighty percent of Familia?

Pull the trigger. Get us another high ceiling but huge gamble player. More lottery tickets is better than 6 weeks of Norris. Who knows maybe one of them sticks later. Ya never know.

bdj23 · 07-28-2018, 08:46 PM

My fiance is pissed about the idea of trading Ozuna -- she bought me the Saturday jersey in his namesake for Christmas.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	I didn’t know the DFA’d Lyons. I thought he was hurt? Going to the minors? Why not just send him to the minors and see if he gets right? I don’t think Lyons was ever going to be a reliable bullpen pieces, but if He never shows anything, what are you out? What am I missing? __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	Viva el Birdos article on Cardinal players trade values https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2018/7/...dline-analysis __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	What’s Norris’s trade value right now? We don’t need him for the next 6 weeks. No way are we signing him next year. Someone wants to give us a prospect, why would we not oblige them? __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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