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Old 04-14-2017, 10:02 AM  
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The NFL doesn't think Mahomes is a first rounder.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RLiuNFL/s...draft-and-more

There's the list of the 22 prospects that will attend the draft.

I'm kinda disappointed that if KC selects Mahomes, he won't be able to go on stage and do his thing...Kizer, Watson and Trubiski were all invited.

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Old 04-17-2017, 10:33 AM   #76
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It's weird but I don't know that I really want a guy that has to rely on fundamentals to get by in college. It seems bassackwards, but if a guy is tapped physically and has to have all his mechanics in tow to get it done at that level, he's capped in the nfl.

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Old 04-17-2017, 10:35 AM   #77
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It's weird but I don't know that I really want a guy that has to rely on fundamentals to get by in college. It seems bassackwards, but if a guy is tapped physically and has to have all his mechanics in tow to get it done at that level, he's capped in the nfl.

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Old 04-17-2017, 10:43 AM   #78
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The Mahomes OU game is interesting. There was one drive his line commited 3 different fouls each time dude bounced back and completed 20+ yard completions. He's kind of frustrating because the arm and accuracy are there the mechanics suck and he doesn't stay in the pocket. Right Now Davis Webb is a better prospect similar arm and stays in the pocket. Mahomes has a higher ceiling though.
I don't know why people aren't higher on Webb than they are here. The difference between the two isn't all that much. And Webb should be available without a tradeup. Reports are out that the Texans love Mahomes. They don't have as much ammunition for a tradeup, but are also a lot more desperate. If they were both available at 27 then I probably lean Mahomes, but I'd be perfectly happy with Webb
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Old 04-17-2017, 10:44 AM   #79
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The Mahomes OU game is interesting. There was one drive his line commited 3 different fouls each time dude bounced back and completed 20+ yard completions. He's kind of frustrating because the arm and accuracy are there the mechanics suck and he doesn't stay in the pocket. Right Now Davis Webb is a better prospect similar arm and stays in the pocket. Mahomes has a higher ceiling though.
I don't know anything about any of these QB prospects.

But the consensus seems to be that Mahomes has the highest ceiling, and I'd rather take the guy with the highest ceiling that needs a year, or even 2, to develop than the guy with the lower floor.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:53 PM   #80
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I don't know anything about any of these QB prospects.

But the consensus seems to be that Mahomes has the highest ceiling, and I'd rather take the guy with the highest ceiling that needs a year, or even 2, to develop than the guy with the lower floor.
Normally Id agree I just dont know if Mahomes is fixable or not. If he is you have a damn good QB. Webb to me in the few games I watched is a more accurate Brock Osweiler.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:07 PM   #81
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— The odds-on favorites to land Mahomes are the Chiefs. But the Texans are a close second. One hypothetical: The Chiefs trade up with the Colts (now led by former Chiefs executive Chris Ballard) to ensure them their top-ranked quarterback.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news...n1aj1kfmu5ijpd

Idea I floated a few weeks ago. I bet Dorsey has had talks with Ballard about a trade.

We've only had ammo to trade up one time in this regime after the Alex trade and Goodell fisting, but the options were bare in 2015. I doubt it happens but now is the time.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:14 AM   #82
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Ok, so I probably was a condescending prick in this thread but **** if I didn't give everything I had pounding that imaginary table on the interwebs for Pat Mahomes.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:17 AM   #83
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What will it take to get a universal **** YEAH from our draft?

Round 1 - TJ Watt

Round 2 - Alvin Kamara

Round 3 - Pat Mahomes (I learned he sucks from this thread)

Would that do it?
LOL imagine if KC had this draft? I originally wanted Kamara over Hunt because of his speed and ability but loved Hunt as well. Was stoked about that pick and he's played college ball in my hometown.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:25 AM   #84
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The only people who believe Mahomes is a first rounder are desperate fans.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:57 AM   #85
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Wait... Mechanics are easy flaws to fix? Is that why Blake Bortles is about to rehire his mechanics coach after 3 years in the league?
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Okay, so look...

People can give me shit for liking Geno Smith to the degree that I did. That's fine. But they should also know that I while I was thinking with my heart, I was moreso thinking from a perspective of, "Well, what ****ing better choice do we have at 1.1 in this draft class considering who's on our team and what we need?" Luke ****ing Joeckel? That's who all the NFL Draft guys wanted us to take. The fact that Dorsey took Fisher is inconsequential to the idea that you may as well aim high and fail spectacularly even if it doesn't work out.

However, assholes like King need to realize that for every QB you take pride in that you correctly pooh-poohed, you deserve MORE criticism than the people who dream if you get a guy wrong.

If you were to pick any drafted QB in a given draft class, what are the odds that guy will be a bust? 80%? 90%? 95%? It's easy to say, "Geno is a bust." It's easy to say that about any QB barring the ones everybody slobbers over like Andrew Luck.

So that means when you get one of those picks dead wrong, you should get ****ed way harder than somebody who ****ing DARED to pick a QB who would actually succeed.

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Old 09-19-2018, 06:04 AM   #86
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The funny thing is that a bunch of people on here thought that Geno Smith would have been a worthy #1 overall pick.

Those same people are hyping up these mediocre QB prospects as 1st round talents.

The cycle continues at CP.
Another example.

From the dipshit who brought you the phrase, "I just don't think any of the QBs in this draft class are Andrew Luck" and says it every ****ing year.

There probably isn't an Andrew Luck in the 2019 class, either. OldSchool doesn't have opinions on college QB prospects. Why have one of those when you can just assume they'll all bust except for any Andrew Lucks that come around once in awhile? You'll be correct most of the time! Makes total pussy sense to me!
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:06 AM   #87
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That year it was between Smith and Rodgers for who would be the 1.1, it has been well covered with McCarthy supposedly telling Rodgers that he was going to be the pick at 1.1 If Rodgers was thought of as a project there would not have been all the talk about his fall down the 1st round and the video of him setting there waiting to be picked.
Keep it real instead of pushing your agenda.
Yeah, I remember. I know this is old, but there's some revisionist history going on here. Most teams felt NEITHER guy was a #1 overall quality pick, but SF was awful and QB desperate after jettisoning Garcia and T.O.

It was pretty well known SF would pick one of the two (there was no consensus) and the other guy would fall at LEAST to the 15th pick. Multiple mocks predicted the slide of the 2nd QB. Rogers was a guy where people spent too much time scouting his school and the system he played in rather than his talent. "Oh, Tedford QB's always suck"

Most people felt SF was reaching for either guy, which is why they couldn't trade the pick. They tried to trade it too, because they knew they'd get the top QB if they did trade down. They could have traded down to 10 and got Smith. Most teams at the top of the draft didn't want EITHER GUY.

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Some of the comments about Webb and Mahomes make me shake my head. Watched every snap of those guys at Tech. Webb has a big arm but he struggles with accuracy. I don’t mean completion percentage, I mean putting the ball on the money for YAC. Mahomes was an immediate upgrade in this area. Kind of important to set up your receiver for YAC in the Air Raid offense.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:54 PM   #89
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Okay, so look...

People can give me shit for liking Geno Smith to the degree that I did. That's fine. But they should also know that I while I was thinking with my heart, I was moreso thinking from a perspective of, "Well, what ****ing better choice do we have at 1.1 in this draft class considering who's on our team and what we need?" Luke ****ing Joeckel? That's who all the NFL Draft guys wanted us to take. The fact that Dorsey took Fisher is inconsequential to the idea that you may as well aim high and fail spectacularly even if it doesn't work out.

However, assholes like King need to realize that for every QB you take pride in that you correctly pooh-poohed, you deserve MORE criticism than the people who dream if you get a guy wrong.

If you were to pick any drafted QB in a given draft class, what are the odds that guy will be a bust? 80%? 90%? 95%? It's easy to say, "Geno is a bust." It's easy to say that about any QB barring the ones everybody slobbers over like Andrew Luck.

So that means when you get one of those picks dead wrong, you should get ****ed way harder than somebody who ****ing DARED to pick a QB who would actually succeed.

Just my opinion, of course.
Geno Smith was NEVER going to be an NFL QB.
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