*** Official Minnesota Twins @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (8/28) ***

[alnorth]

Final / 10	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	R	H	E
MIN (59-74)	2	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	0	6	11	14	0
KC (74-59)	2	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	5	12	1

Tommy Milone 5⅓IP 4R 4ER 2BB 0K
Blown Save, (1) Ryan Pressly ⅔IP 1R 1ER 2BB 0K 1HR
Jared Burton 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Casey Fien 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Brian Duensing ⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Win, (3-1) Anthony Swarzak ⅔IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Glen Perkins 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

VS.



Jeremy Guthrie 6IP 5R 5ER 2BB 5K
Francisley Bueno ⅔IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Jason Frasor ⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Kelvin Herrera 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Greg Holland 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K
Loss, (2-4) Bruce Chen 1IP 6R 6ER 2BB 1K

Home Runs

MIN

none

KC

Alex Gordon, (17) - Bottom 7th solo shot to center

Other Relevant Games

Final: NYY 2, DET 3
Final: TB 4, BAL 5

MIN

1. Danny Santana, CF
2. Brian Dozier, 2B
3. Kurt Suzuki, C
4. Kennys Vargas, DH
5. Oswaldo Arcia, RF
6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
7. Chris Parmelee, 1B
7. Joe Mauer, ph
8. Eduardo Escobar, SS
scratched
8. Eduardo Nunez, SS
9. Jordan Schafer, LF

KC

1. Norichika Aoki, RF
1. Jarrod Dyson, CF
2. Alcides Escobar, SS
3. Alex Gordon, LF
4. Billy Butler, 1B
5. Salvador Perez, C
6. Josh Willingham, DH
7. Lorenzo Cain, CF/RF
8. Mike Moustakas, 3B
9. Christian Colon, 2B

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dellin Betances...

the best reliever in the game NOT NAMED WADE DAVIS

PITCHES 2 ****ING INNINGS ALL OF THE TIME and he still throws 98 and he still has that nasty unhittable slurve in that 2nd inning

but I guess he's just an anomaly

Right . . . . so because one guy in all of baseball does it, we should just assume that every top notch reliever in MLB can do it??

That makes total sense.

You win.

[BWillie]

Only thing I can fault Ned much in this game is using Chen, really at all. But thats partly on Dayton. No clue why Chen is on thi roster. Virtually any other pitcher than Chen would have been great.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Right . . . . so because one guy in all of baseball does it, we should just assume that every top notch reliever in MLB can do it??

That makes total sense.

You win.

well I'd rather take an actual example of someone doing it rather than taking someone who has literally never tried it and then referencing some arbitrary statement from "baseball guys" and "professional pitchers" that was probably never ****ing even made just thrown against the wall to make it look like Greg Holland would suddenly go from A+ reliever from outs 0-3 to C- reliever from outs 4-6.

because that just wouldn't ****ing happen

his arm may go out if we throw him for 130 innings every ****ing year

but in August and September if we need him for 2 innings instead of 1 in a ****ing pennant race

I think the mother ****er would gladly suck it up

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

They should just hire me as the manager.

I'd lead us to a division championship and then immediately make Yordano Ventura my postseason gap / 2 inning guy / spot starter in a big game (if needed)...

Our bullpen of Ventura/Herrera/Davis and Holland would literally be unhittable. Ventura projects long term as the best closer in baseball...he could dial it up to 102 for an inning or two at a time.

Shields/Vargas/Duffy with Guthrie who could be used if we were up 3-1 and needed to get the other 3 a rest day if plenty of fine and I think Ventura would be a killer ****ing weapon coming out of the bullpen...and Guthrie wouldn't fit that roll.

But Ned won't do that...because Ned is ****ing dumb.

I'm going to just assume that the hiring you as manager thing is a joke.

As far as the Ventura thing, I agree with you.

And IF the Royals do make the playoffs, I would suspect that is exactly what will happen. 4 man rotation with JGuts at the back end, if needed, and Ventura moving to middle relief to be a dominant 1-2 inning guy that can get the game to Herrera, Davis and Holly.

[Hootie]

I can't wait until Ned uses a 5 man rotation in the playoffs (if we get there)

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I can't wait until Ned uses a 5 man rotation in the playoffs (if we get there)

Will never happen (5 man rotation, that is) with off days. Ever.

[Hootie]

Well

with Ned I'll believe it when I see it

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I think the mother ****er would gladly suck it up

I think he would too, but that's not the point. You don't leave those kinds of decisions up to pitchers. Many of the best pitch with their heart and not their head and don't EVER want to be taken out. Hell, I have no doubt James Shields would throw a 130 pitch complete game almost every time out if Ned would let him, but that would be stupid obviously.

Duffy didn't want to come out two nights ago, and was pissed about it, but if Ned left him in we probably don't walk off in the 9th on Gordo's HR.

And I'm sure Holly would be willing to throw 1-2 innings most times out, if Ned would let him . . . . but that doesn't mean he should or that it would be in his best interest or that of the team.

There's a reason the Royals have the best 7-8-9 combo in baseball . . . . because they are set up to each pitch the 7th, 8th and 9th. If you stretch them out, they lose their dominance in those roles, at best, and at worst, lose their effectiveness going forward. You don't gamble that on one f**king game against the Mini-twins in August, in a series you've already won, while still in first place, and still having 6 more games head to head in September against the team that is chasing you! You have to think big picture here, not just one game.

Anything other than just that WOULD be, as you state, COMPLETELY F**KING STUPID!!!

[SPchief]

Did anyone set the over/under on Hootie blowing a gasket within weeks of coming back? In a meaningless (yes this game is meaningless) loss? Goood god people, you win some, you lose some. They play 162 for a reason.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

And let's be real here: the Royals won games the previous two nights they probably had no business winning (based on the pathetic offensive display on Tuesday night and Phil Hughes pitching on Wednesday), and lost a game tonight they probably should have won.

So they traded one for two. That's a .667 winning %. I'll take that trade every time, as would the Royals going forward.

[SPchief]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I have made zero posts in this thread that weren't exactly on point...zero. I do get worked up, that's for sure.

I just can't stand losing winnable baseball games due to the manager. I never blame the manager unless he deserves it...and, without doubt, he deserves 100% of it tonight.

You don't manage like it's May in a pennant race. This was May managing. And it is infuriating.

Dude, relax. There's still a month left to prove you're the best baseball mind east of STL

[Strongside]

Man. I'm not going to freak out about tonight, but that move absolutely stunned me.

If managers truly don't really matter as far as x's and o's go until the games really start to matter (close to, and in September) then Ned is completely to blame for this loss. Wade Davis had thrown only 24 pitches in his last 2 appearances and was nowhere near spent. He could have easily gotten us into the 11th. Instead, we opt for a soft-tossing shit bag that is Bruce Chen and give up 6 ****ing runs in the 10th, sealing the deal. Just a terrible move strategically, and one that could cost us down the stretch.

[Strongside]

And I'm 100% in agreement with Hootie on this one. Anyone saying that the decision to put Chen in under those circumstances didn't cost us the game is just being an apologist.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by SPchief

Dude, relax. There's still a month left to prove you're the best baseball mind east of STL

You know, it's okay to not be a Royals cheerleader all the time.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by SPchief

In a meaningless (yes this game is meaningless) loss? Goood god people, you win some, you lose some. They play 162 for a reason.

Is that you, Ned?