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Old 06-13-2018, 01:01 PM  
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Arizona Court Orders Christian Store Owners to Make Gay Wedding Invitations

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona appeals court on Thursday upheld a Phoenix anti-discrimination law that makes it illegal for businesses to refuse service to same-sex couples because of religion.

The ruling comes days after the U.S. Supreme Court sided with a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. The high court found Monday that a Colorado civil rights commission showed anti-religious bias when it ruled against Jack Phillips for refusing to make the cake at his Masterpiece Cakeshop.

The decision, however, did not address the larger issue of whether a business can invoke religious objections to refuse service to gay and lesbian people.

In the Arizona case, the state Court of Appeals sided with the city in a lawsuit first brought in 2016 by a wedding invitation business, saying the ordinance is constitutional and does not violate freedom of religion or speech....more...

https://azdailysun.com/news/state-an...6db2bbbbf.html
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:42 PM   #16
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:46 PM   #17
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Personally, I agree with the sentiment, from a common sense point of view, as to why not just go find another baker or invitation maker. I suspect it does happen that way fairly frequently, and you just don't hear about it.

The problem is, if bakers and the like can do it, why not restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, etc.?

Serious question: Would you be ok with the discrimination, if the basis was religion, but the baker or whoever didn't want to serve blacks, Muslims, Jews, etc.?
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:19 PM   #18
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I still want to know how providing a service for a gay couple violates someone's religious beliefs.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:21 PM   #19
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Personally, I agree with the sentiment, from a common sense point of view, as to why not just go find another baker or invitation maker. I suspect it does happen that way fairly frequently, and you just don't hear about it.

The problem is, if bakers and the like can do it, why not restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, etc.?

Serious question: Would you be ok with the discrimination, if the basis was religion, but the baker or whoever didn't want to serve blacks, Muslims, Jews, etc.?
Yes and I have no problem with those being discriminated against using their free speech rights to inform the public about those that wouldn't serve them.

Personally, I wouldn't spend money in a place that discriminated against people due to skin color, sex, or sexual orientation.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:22 PM   #20
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I still want to know how providing a service for a gay couple violates someone's religious beliefs.
Yes, forcing someone to serve someone they don't want to violates no rights at all. None at all.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:26 PM   #21
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Yes, forcing someone to serve someone they don't want to violates no rights at all. None at all.
Not what I asked.

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I still want to know how providing a service for a gay couple violates someone's religious beliefs.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:28 PM   #22
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:31 PM   #23
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Not what I asked.
Its not providing a service it is forcing someone to provide a service or they get punished. Not sure how you don't see the rights violation in that.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:14 PM   #24
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Personally, I agree with the sentiment, from a common sense point of view, as to why not just go find another baker or invitation maker. I suspect it does happen that way fairly frequently, and you just don't hear about it.

The problem is, if bakers and the like can do it, why not restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, etc.?

Serious question: Would you be ok with the discrimination, if the basis was religion, but the baker or whoever didn't want to serve blacks, Muslims, Jews, etc.?
If a black person, Muslim, Jew etc came into my store and wanted me to produce an invitation that disparaged my religious views then yes - I would be fine with "discrimination" against ANY group like that.

That's the problem, or at least the way that most see it - the "gays" seem to go out of their way to "stir the shit pot" (pun intended) and then instigate litigation against the person of faith. Almost like a "dare", if you will. They're gonna SHOW that "Christian"….

And honestly, I truly believe that that is it in a nutshell.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:23 PM   #25
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Personally, I agree with the sentiment, from a common sense point of view, as to why not just go find another baker or invitation maker. I suspect it does happen that way fairly frequently, and you just don't hear about it.

The problem is, if bakers and the like can do it, why not restaurants, hotels, grocery stores, etc.?

Serious question: Would you be ok with the discrimination, if the basis was religion, but the baker or whoever didn't want to serve blacks, Muslims, Jews, etc.?
Not personalized services... The baker in Colorado offered the "gay couple" any of the shelf items that were produced generically.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:24 PM   #26
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:28 PM   #27
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I ain't makin' no wedding cake for that there fayggets. No siree bob. Not over mah dead body. Send those fayggets to the West Coast like Wershington with the rest of those homos. I gots to get back to readin' my guns and ammo magazines now.

Yea, that's pretty much the baker in Colorado He is a reasonable man if you heard him interview with a deep belief in the bible. His religious belief was the reason he declined the business. Those on the left that spout tolerance and acceptance of others lifestyles and beliefs, are usually the least tolerant of others lifestyles and beliefs...
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:37 PM   #28
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Strident rhetoric forecloses discussion of the actual issue here--it's a very difficult question. I think just about everyone agrees about the extremes: it shouldn't be ok to deny gays access to food, gas, etc. On the other end, almost everyone agrees a priest shouldn't be forced to perform a gay wedding. There's a line somewhere in the middle that's far murkier. I can't articulate a rule to establish that line, and so far neither can the Cour.
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Its not providing a service it is forcing someone to provide a service or they get punished. Not sure how you don't see the rights violation in that.
No one is forcing them to provide the service, they chose to open their business. They say they don't want to provide a service to certain customers for religious reasons. I am curious how providing a service violates their religious beliefs.
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No one is forcing them to provide the service, they chose to open their business. They say they don't want to provide a service to certain customers for religious reasons. I am curious how providing a service violates their religious beliefs.
Did they deny them service all together or only a specific type of service? I haven't read the story.

If they only denied to make a certain item for them then I am guessing they would deny anyone that specific item whether they were straight or gay.
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