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Old 06-11-2018, 08:01 PM  
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We are witnessing history in the making....

For the first time since 1953, I do believe, the Leaders of the US and North Korea are sitting down for a discussion to build a better relationship.

Nothing int he way of significant policy will come from the initial meeting but nonetheless, the building blocks could be being laid down.

This could all amount to nothing. This could amount to the total de-nuclearization of the NK. This could and most likely if it doesn't collapse, will amount to something in between.


But here we are, witnessing a good ice breaker and a far cry from the nuclear war many said Trump would cause.

You gotta hope for the best here. I know there are anti-Trumpers that are praying for a failure and for nothing more than politics.

These could be the first steps for the world to become a better place than it was yesterday.

Tip the hat to President Trump if only for the moment.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:03 PM   #2
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I certainly hope that no one, including anti-Trumpers, are hoping for anything less than the best outcome possible. If they are, I condemn them.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:05 PM   #3
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Do we really need two threads for this?
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Israeli Uri Avnery, Veteran Peace Activist dies at age 94 in Tel Aviv. I will miss your bravery and your reporting over at Antiwar.com.

Now stay tuned for Tory Magazine sometime this fall.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:06 PM   #4
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Do we really need two threads for this?
could you stop being a board nazi for just a minute or two?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:08 PM   #5
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LW Media flipping their lid because only translators were allowed in the meeting...


Just ****ing unbelievable
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:18 PM   #8
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LW Media flipping their lid because only translators were allowed in the meeting...


Just ****ing unbelievable
Meh. I wouldn't mind us having a few professional diplomats in the same room as Trump and Rocket Man. The more eyes and ears, the better.
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Meh. I wouldn't mind us having a few professional diplomats in the same room as Trump and Rocket Man. The more eyes and ears, the better.
I wouldn't mind it but I don't think the overreaction of it is justified. It's the first meeting in 6 decades. People need to chill.
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LW Media flipping their lid because only translators were allowed in the meeting...


Just ****ing unbelievable
**** the media. They are deserving of jack and shit.
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I wouldn't mind it but I don't think the overreaction of it is justified. It's the first meeting in 6 decades. People need to chill.
I don't know what you're referring to specifically, but I can guess. I think the concern about Trump (if that's what it is) just trying to get some good press and ratings is absolutely justifiable. His actions have shown that to be very important to him. Hopefully, he understands that this goes WAY beyond him. I hope he does.
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I certainly hope that no one, including anti-Trumpers, are hoping for anything less than the best outcome possible. If they are, I condemn them.
Even Nixon opened up China.

If it gets the result we want , I have no issues giving him credit for this.
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Even Nixon opened up China.

If it gets the result we want , I have no issues giving him credit for this.
Indeed. Nor would I.
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I don't know what you're referring to specifically, but I can guess. I think the concern about Trump (if that's what it is) just trying to get some good press and ratings is absolutely justifiable. His actions have shown that to be very important to him. Hopefully, he understands that this goes WAY beyond him. I hope he does.
The only reason why that is being bandied about is because some want to discredit this summit. It wasn’t long ago those same people were saying Trump should not be anywhere near the nuclear codes. Yet here he is trying to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula.

It has some 180 degrees out of phase. They don’t know which way is up or down.
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Just ****ing unbelievable
Well, there are reasons for that. If it is essentially just the two of them, how can anything be verified about what was actually said? They can both claim what they want and claim some sort of "victory".

If it actually leads to getting rid of the nukes, then great, I don't need to know. My guess is they will both walk away claiming different things were promised. Maybe they'll be small differences, maybe large ones. But nobody will know without any credible witnesses.
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