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Old 06-11-2018, 11:17 AM  
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Pit Bull pulls baby from fire

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'Hero pup' pit bull tries to save baby from house fire by carrying her by the diaper
BY MATTHEW MARTINEZ

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A mother in Stockton, California, says her 8-month-old pit bull is a "hero pup" for saving her and her baby's lives last week when a fire broke out in another unit of her fourplex.

Sasha the puppy and 7-month-old Masailah have a special bond, their mom, Nana Chai, told KCRA.

"She's in her bed every day," Chai told the station. "They take baths together and everything."

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The pit bull alerted her owner that something was wrong first by barking and yelping, before any of Nana's human senses detected that anything was wrong.

It was one of the few times Nana had left Shasha outside in the backyard for longer than just a few minutes, she told KTXL. The dog was going berserk, yelping and pounding at the back door.

"I open it and she runs in and starts barking at me like crazy, and I was like, 'OK, this is weird. This is not like her,'" Nana told the station.

As she got closer to the door, she saw a glow coming from next door, her cousin's unit in the fourplex. Sasha was already on her way to get her best friend.

Nana, 30, rushed to her Masailah's room, but Sasha had beaten her there. The dog was trying to carry her out of bed and to safety by Masailah's diaper.

"She has my baby by the diaper just dragging her off the bed trying to get her to safety."

They got out of their home unharmed, but all of Nana's unit in the fourplex is now unlivable, according to a GoFundMe campaign started by Nana's sister Christine White. The money will go to "help not only my family but also Sasha our hero pup start a new life in a new home."


Nana told McClatchy on Saturday that Sasha is staying with her aunt until Nana finds a new home for the family, and she misses all four of her humans Nana, Masailah and her two older sisters.

"She misses the kids and sleeping in their beds. I take the kids over there so Sasha doesn't cry all day," Nana said. "It's hard to answer the questions, 'Where are we going to live?' and 'Are we going to be homeless?' when I'm trying to figure that out as well, so right now we're leaning on each other."
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:04 PM   #76
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Yea well I haven't been here for longer than that. The point was that mislabeling the breed which I posted examples of many, many times over the years happens all the time. Trying to get a legitimate stat on this breed is like asking CNN for objective news. The reminder was the presa canarios killing the woman in SF. How they got labeled pit bulls isn't an accident and was certainly no mistake.

Pits were bred to be animal aggressive. They cull human aggression. People handle them in the pit when they are fighting. The most irresponsible owners are those that want to mix it with another breed that is not so stable.
Pits were bred to be animal aggressive, but they cull human aggression?
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:09 PM   #77
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Pits were bred to be animal aggressive, but they cull human aggression?
A dog showing any human aggression is killed. They are handled by humans during dog fights. That would be a very undesirable.

https://www.pitbullinfo.org/

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Old 06-12-2018, 02:19 PM   #78
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Read this anyone who is still on the fence. https://www.gopitbull.com/general-di...dog-parks.html

A pitbull forum full of pitbull lovers and the overwhelming advice is don't take your pit to the dog park, or anywhere else they are likely to be around strange dogs. They are, by nature, dog aggressive.

I'd like to think that most people who consider themselves as responsible pitbull owners understand this. But there seems to be no shortage of pitbull owners who think they are great, responsible owners, who blindly put their dog aggressive animal in a situation where they are likely to fail.

Why would anyone want a dog that can't be trusted around other dogs? I have no effing clue. But as long as they understand what they have and don't bring them around strange dogs, have at it, I guess. But there are plenty of people who seem to think it's their right to **** things up for everyone.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:17 PM   #79
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What exactly are you talking about? What other statistic do you think needs added to this statement:



Please feel free to contribute whatever other statistic you feel is missing. Pit bulls contributed to 2/3rds of the US deaths from canines while they make up less than 10% of the US canine population.

It sounds like you're babysitting a nice one. But that's irrelevant with regards to the above statistic. Nobody is saying all pits are aggressive murderers. Just that a high percentage of them are compared to other breeds. And it's absolutely not just the owners.
You totally missed my point. I don't know how as I thought I had explained it pretty well, but let me try again.

I didn't say I had stats, I asked if anyone could provide something on this: I would like to know how many dog bites per year there are in this country overall. And then you could break them down into breeds. My point is that smaller dogs bite, as well. All dogs breeds bite. It's just that the samller and medium ones just don't get labeled murderers because they aren't capable of doing the damage that a pit can when it bites/attacks. And even if we have some stats on total dog bites, I wonder if it is even complete due to the fact that most likely small and medium dog bites are probably not reported. Can you see how this makes it seem more that pits are more dangerous. More pits plus the most force in a bite equals more maulings by pits. It does not necessarily mean that a pitbull temperament is worse than other breeds.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:22 PM   #80
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My three children were attacked by 4 pit bulls. When the kids ran to the backyard and locked the gate then our dogs confronted the pit bulls trying to protect the kids. The kids (16, 13 and 5) then grabbed our dogs and locked them in the garage. The pit bulls busted through a chain link fence gate and proceeded to bust the glass on the garage storm door and bust holes through the garage door. The kids ran to get mom and she called me. When I got there I managed to get the gate back in place to lock them in our backyard and went for my gun.
My wife called 911, the pits were still trying to gain access to our garage through a beat down door, and 911 said I could not legally shoot them and that all units were busy. I grabbed the phone and said " i am shooting them all now" and hung up. Miraculously a unit was there in less than a minute
The cop called animal control, they came and pepper sprayed the shit out of the dogs while catching them. I did get not repayed for the damage and was informed that if i had fired my weapon in the backyard i would have been arrested. If I was in the garage and had shot the dogs in the garage I would have not been arrested.
F--K pit bulls and their owners. ALL OF THEM.
I would have shot them. Those particular animals needed to be put down.
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You totally missed my point. I don't know how as I thought I had explained it pretty well, but let me try again.

I didn't say I had stats, I asked if anyone could provide something on this: I would like to know how many dog bites per year there are in this country overall. And then you could break them down into breeds. My point is that smaller dogs bite, as well. All dogs breeds bite. It's just that the samller and medium ones just don't get labeled murderers because they aren't capable of doing the damage that a pit can when it bites/attacks. And even if we have some stats on total dog bites, I wonder if it is even complete due to the fact that most likely small and medium dog bites are probably not reported. Can you see how this makes it seem more that pits are more dangerous. More pits plus the most force in a bite equals more maulings by pits. It does not necessarily mean that a pitbull temperament is worse than other breeds.
Little dogs can be some little shits, but they don't get labeled murderers because nobody ****ing dies ... or even gets hospitalized. They get a ****ing bandaid. I wonder why nobody reports them.

The statistics make it seem like pits are more dangerous because pits are more dangerous.
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Little dogs can be some little shits, but they don't get labeled murderers because nobody ****ing dies ... or even gets hospitalized. They get a ****ing bandaid. I wonder why nobody reports them.

The statistics make it seem like pits are more dangerous because pits are more dangerous.
Again, I did not disagree with the fact that they can do a lot of damage. Again, my point was temperament.
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Again, I did not disagree with the fact that they can do a lot of damage. Again, my point was temperament.
Well, their temperament is shit, too.

They are dog-aggressive by nature. Go read the link I posted a few posts up. Those are pitbull owners and lovers talking. So it starts out as a shitty dog to have around. Then you have absolutely horrible breeding practices that are rampant where human aggression is not culled like Big Daddy was suggesting. You get thousands of pups just found on the side of the road from whoever didn't bother to get their dog fixed and doesn't want to deal with it. Then you have the bleeding hearts that want every dog adopted, no matter what asshole behavior it has shown in the past.

There needs to be a serious culling of the pit population and get their breeding back to something in the neighborhood of responsible. But every neck tatoo wearing douchebag with a padlock chain is breeding them in their backyard and trying to make a buck. And every hippie with a love for dogs is trying to save every last one of them, no matter how bad their breeding and behavior.

It's time to stop trying to save every damn one of them and get the population under control. Then maybe we can have a discussion about breed characteristics.

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To give you an inkling of the problem, a quick look at petfinder.com showed, in my area, 28 of the 39 dogs on page one are listed as pit bull or pit bull mix. And about 3 or 4 of the ones that weren't listed as pit bull were suspect.

That's tragic. And the people perpetuating that crap should be stopped and that includes the rescue organizations.
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Some interesting videos with some good information on pits

According to the study he references, Pits are not aggressive temperament.
https://youtu.be/7Rl5ftWrk6s

Here, Cesar talks about how through different decades it has been different breeds that were ostracized (Dobermans in the 70s, Rotweilers in the 80s, etc.) and how Petey in The Little Rascals was a pitbull. Funny how society/culture views things differently nowadays.

https://youtu.be/lcV2uoG9RtE

Finally, this guy makes some great points and gives some great advice on Pitbulls.

https://youtu.be/pgnZsw8U4t4
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According to the study he references, Pits are not aggressive temperament.
https://youtu.be/7Rl5ftWrk6s

Here, Cesar talks about how through different decades it has been different breeds that were ostracized (Dobermans in the 70s, Rotweilers in the 80s, etc.) and how Petey in The Little Rascals was a pitbull. Funny how society/culture views things differently nowadays.

https://youtu.be/lcV2uoG9RtE

Finally, this guy makes some great points and gives some great advice on Pitbulls.

https://youtu.be/pgnZsw8U4t4
Too bad that non-aggressive temperament doesn’t seem to stop them from killing people way more than any other dog.

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In the 13-year period of 2005 to 2017, canines killed 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths. Within this period, deaths attributed to pit bulls rose from 58% (2005 to 2010) to 71% (2011 to 2017), a 22% rise.1 [Table 2]
Today, when averaging the last 3 years (2015 to 2017), pit bulls comprise about 6.5% of the total U.S. dog population. This is a 63% rise since the 3-year period of 2010 to 2012 when the total U.S. pit bull population was estimated to be 4%.2
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Keep sticking your head in the sand.

If pitbull advocates won't bother to do something to get the overpopulation and bad breeding under control, I don't know why they expect people to ignore statistics and first hand evidence of a breed gone bad. A couple of youtube videos aren't doing this breed any favors.
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Here is an interesting documentary on pit bulls. Very interesting stuff in there. A lot of good info and both sides of the aisle are presented. It's 6 parts in under 10-minute videos.
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Keep sticking your head in the sand.

If pitbull advocates won't bother to do something to get the overpopulation and bad breeding under control, I don't know why they expect people to ignore statistics and first hand evidence of a breed gone bad. A couple of youtube videos aren't doing this breed any favors.
Oh, don't misunderstand me. I agree with you about the bad breeding and the thug gang members and/or the dog fighting people. They all suck. They are the reason the pit bulls get a bad rep.
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Here is an interesting documentary on pit bulls. Very interesting stuff in there. A lot of good info and both sides of the aisle are presented. It's 6 parts in under 10-minute videos.
He doesn't comment on anything that doesn't fit his narrative. I posted a great thread that is very relevant when it comes to misrepresentation in dog bite stats and all it got was crickets. Its a waste of time responding to somebody so emotionally attached to being right about their personal observations.He does have some valid points though but saying them over and over again is pointless.
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