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Old 06-08-2018, 08:42 AM  
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Trump Calls for Russia to Rejoin G7, Exacerbating Rift with Allies

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...t-with-allies/

President Trump called on allies to reinstate Russia as part of the G7 Friday, deepening a rift over trade policy that spilled out on Twitter just days ahead of the summit in Canada.

“Russia should be in this meeting,” Trump told reporters at the White House immediately before departing for the summit. “Why are we having a meeting without Russia being in the meeting? And I would recommend — and it’s up to them — but Russia should be in the meeting, it should be a part of it. You know, whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run and the G-7 — which used to be the G-8, they threw Russia out — they should let Russia come back in because we should have Russia at the negotiating table.”

Russia was expelled from the G7 in 2014 in retaliation for its annexation of the Crimean peninsula — a violation of international law that drew universal condemnation from U.S. allies.

The unexpected show of support for Russia came after Trump traded blows on Twitter with French president Emmanuel Macron and Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau over a perceived imbalance in the trade relationship between the United States and its allies.
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Following the Twitter spat, the White House announced late Thursday that Trump would not attend a session dedicated to climate change on Saturday morning, announcing that he would instead fly directly to Singapore to meet with Kim Jong-un.

The public back-and-forth came days after the Trump administration imposed significant steel and aluminum tariffs on a number of U.S. allies, including European Union nations and Canada, after initially exempting the countries from the protectionist measure. Both Canada and the E.U. have challenged Trump’s national-security justification for the tariffs in complaints filed with the World Trade Organization, and both have also announced retaliatory tariffs.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:42 AM   #31
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Because Crimea voted to join Russia?
No. Because Russia invaded Crimea.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:44 AM   #32
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No. Because Russia invaded Crimea.
"Invaded."

If Crimea was "stolen" then where are the riots? Where are the freedom fighters? Where is the struggle?

Those people are largely happy that they got what they voted for.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:45 AM   #33
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"Invaded."

If Crimea was "stolen" then where are the riots? Where are the freedom fighters? Where is the struggle?

Those people are largely happy that they got what they voted for.
Do you acknowledge that Crimea was part of Ukraine, until the Russians invaded?

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http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/1...o-flashback-2/
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:50 AM   #34
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I acknowledge that right now Crimea is a peaceful place where the people seem to be satisfied that they got what they voted for.

I acknowledge that as is typical where international matters and war is concerned, you are being proven wrong as always by the results.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:51 AM   #35
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I acknowledge that right now Crimea is a peaceful place where the people seem to be satisfied that they got what they voted for.

I acknowledge that as is typical where international matters and war is concerned, you are being proven wrong as always by the results.
Then you are choosing to ignore the facts. What a shocker.
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Then you are choosing to ignore the facts. What a shocker.
Whose ignoring facts here?

Do you acknowledge that Crimea is at peace right now?
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There's nothing worth discussing in this thread unless the critics acknowledge that Crimea is at peace right now.
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Old 06-08-2018, 10:00 AM   #38
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Whose ignoring facts here?

Do you acknowledge that Crimea is at peace right now?
You are. You are not acknowledging that Crimea was not part of Ukraine, up until the Russians invaded it.

Of course I acknowledge that many Ukrainians in Crimea were in favor of becoming part of Russia. That doesn't change or minimize the fact of what Russia did.
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There's nothing worth discussing in this thread unless the critics acknowledge that Crimea is at peace right now.
Vichy France was at peace, too.
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You are. You are not acknowledging that Crimea was not part of Ukraine, up until the Russians invaded it.

Of course I acknowledge that many Ukrainians in Crimea were in favor of becoming part of Russia. That doesn't change or minimize the fact of what Russia did.

It would seem that Russia exercised the will of the people of Crimea given the results. I'm content with the outcome.
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Yeah **** Russia on this. They had no right invading the Ukraine and deserve worse. Trump is an idiot here.
Trump does what Russia tells him do.

Almost all of Trump's moves have benefited Russia, from trade deals to tariffs.
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It would seem that Russia exercised the will of the people of Crimea given the results. I'm content with the outcome.
No, Russia forced their will onto a sovereign nation by invading it.
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No, Russia forced their will onto a sovereign nation by invading it.

You're welcome to believe this despite the fact that a currently peaceful Crimea makes this notion look silly. Hillary still hasn't gotten over her delusion, I don't expect her Foreign Policy fellow travelers will any time soon.

In the meantime, I can be content knowing that you guys lost the steering wheel. Enjoy the ride in the back seat.
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You're welcome to believe this despite the fact that a currently peaceful Crimea makes this notion look silly. Hillary still hasn't gotten over her delusion, I don't expect her Foreign Policy fellow travelers will any time soon.

In the meantime, I can be content knowing that you guys lost the steering wheel. Enjoy the ride in the back seat.
It doesn't make it look silly at all. The end, such as it is, doesn't justify the means.

I suppose you apply the same "logic" with our invasion of Iraq?
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Its amazing watching people who would describe themselves as "patriotic Americans" fall for fascism because they identify with that "tribe" now. I really don't know how much more blatant it can get watching an American President get manipulated as foreign adversary puppet. A President that embraces fascist tactics and ideals all the way to using faux patriotism to whip up emotional support. It is utterly shocking.
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