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*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***

Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

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While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 05-07-2017, 06:23 PM   #826
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Cubs fans are actually very much like Royal fans. Bandwagon fans who really know nothing about baseball
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Old 05-07-2017, 06:56 PM   #827
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:18 PM   #828
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It's been interesting to watch the Mets since the 2015 World Series. They've basically taken our exact trajectory since the series.



They ran their young pitchers into the ground for a chance to win it all, and they didn't get there. Now their fanbase is watching a similar decline of their team(take a visit to MetsRefugees to see it up close).



Thank god we made it all the way. Even if this team has the bottom fall out and Billay's prediction of our attendance does come true, at least that flag will fly forever.

Mets got nothing for their effort & flags do fly forever.


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Old 05-07-2017, 07:34 PM   #829
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From Kurtis Seaboldt: Royals are just the 20th team in the Live Ball Era (1920-present) to score 82 or fewer in their first 30 games...
We'll see if anybody in the Royals organization bluntly says anything about it. If not, it want be fixed any time soon.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:40 PM   #830
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I was the idiot who thought they couldn't be worse than last year offensively.

As much as I love this team, it did need a pep talk from Raul Ibanez to start putting it together in 2014.

The offensive approaches have disintegrated ... probably tied to an emphasis on hitting HR. Same thing we saw in 2013.


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10 games under...it's over. Hopefully these guys put up some #s and come June / July we get some players
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Mellinger wrote a column about a potential fire sale

I'm all for it at this point. These guys dont have it for whatever reason.

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They HAVE TO change something in this organization. This is just ****ing unbearable and unacceptable. A trade, a firing, a something needs to happen. Ridiculous
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They HAVE TO change something in this organization. This is just ****ing unbearable and unacceptable. A trade, a firing, a something needs to happen. Ridiculous
Certainly you have to evaluate each player's relative worth. Measure their offensive and defensive numbers against their salary.
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I actually saw a hosmer ahead in the count today...shocking. If we had any offense whatsoever we would have swept the tribe. There is something seriously wrong when u get one hit against a AAA call up


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I'm sure they're already laying the groundwork in case they have to trade all these guys.

Dayton always talks about the 40 game mark though, so I'm sure they aren't ready to sell yet. They could still go on a 7-3 stretch and reach the 40 game mark at 17-23. That's not awful. They could do that if they could show any hint of an offense. We're all waiting.

I'm sure they're like many of us though... there's just no way this group of players is going to score 450 runs.
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Old 05-07-2017, 09:23 PM   #839
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I'm sure they're already laying the groundwork in case they have to trade all these guys.

Dayton always talks about the 40 game mark though, so I'm sure they aren't ready to sell yet. They could still go on a 7-3 stretch and reach the 40 game mark at 17-23. That's not awful. They could do that if they could show any hint of an offense. We're all waiting.

I'm sure they're like many of us though... there's just no way this group of players is going to score 450 runs.
Do you get the impression anybody in the organization cares enough to go on a 7-3 run? I'm not sure how you teach these guys to hit, or motivate them to learn/re-learn, but right now their issue is they simply suck at hitting and there's no 7-3 run if enough of them don't start to hit.
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Unbelievable 60 minutes is doing a feature on the Cubs basically kissing their ass for what the Royals accomplished the previous season.
Simple. We had a 30 year drought. They had a 108 year drought. In this case, I'm glad we got less attention because it means we suked less
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