Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-02-2014, 12:32 PM  
AustinChief AustinChief is offline
Administrator
 
AustinChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Austin
Casino cash: $2959112
Hemingway so far

So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.

Last edited by AustinChief; 10-03-2014 at 03:38 PM..
Posts: 19,479
AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 02:46 PM   #76
ModSocks ModSocks is offline
Needs more middle fingers
 
ModSocks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Casino cash: $4484563
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence View Post
So then this was against the Titans.

Either Smith doesn't have the trust in Hemingway to look his way when he's in trouble or Hemingway isn't anything but the 3rd or 4th read on a play. And if the latter is the case....our offensive line wouldn't let Smith get past his 2nd read before he had to run.
Considering he was sacked on the play in which he was open, it likely means that Tenn brought an extra player on 3rd down, which of course means SOMEONE is open and Smith simply didn't have the time to make the play.
__________________
It's O'side or No side, baby.
Posts: 64,042
ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 02:56 PM   #77
Sandy Vagina Sandy Vagina is offline
Still Got The Blues (For You)
 
Sandy Vagina's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2013
Casino cash: $10014178
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus View Post
I've heard of this big drop more than once in the past couple days but don't remember when it occurred.

Can anyone remind me?
4:51 left in the 2nd quarter. Junior was lined up in a 2 pt stance but next to the RT like a TE.. ran a quick drag across and dropped an easy pass on 2nd and 13. The play likely would have gone for only a few yds anyway. Still hate to see it, and his reaction to it was irritating.

Hemingway seems to be JAG. It's fair to wonder if he could ever be more, since he isn't a priority in the offense whatsoever.

I have to think the Chiefs would find ways to use him more, if he was impressing them in weekly practices. As of now, he's just a rarely noticed player on his final contract year.. likely to disappear without a **** given.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by a brilliant vag
Good luck to Pat and the Chiefs!
Posts: 16,482
Sandy Vagina has disabled reputation
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 03:14 PM   #78
-King- -King- is offline
▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓
 
-King-'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Casino cash: $2775743
He's just not a real good WR but for some reason people love to think he is and just hasn't gotten his shot yet. He's a good blocker, and a good special teams player. That's basically it. He'll make 1 or two catches per game and that's good enough.
__________________
🏁
Posts: 63,786
-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 03:31 PM   #79
runnercyclist runnercyclist is offline
Gone to Carolina
 
runnercyclist's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: By lake Wylie in tega cay
Casino cash: $10006038
Decent special teamer. Meh at WR.
Posts: 2,759
runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.runnercyclist is not part of the Right 53.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 03:55 PM   #80
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $3004064
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing View Post
Judging by the players taken in that draft, not sure how you can come to that conclusion. He's a top 5-8 player in his ROUND. It was an awful draft. Pure shit. And out of that draft we got a player who produced fore us, which is more than 75% of the league can say about their 2010 2nd round picks.

Your point was that Hemingway is better. There is nothing to support that argument. And devolving it into "He was drafted too high" doesn't change that, but it does show where the source of your bias comes from.
The 2010 draft was not a shitty draft, but that's a different argument.

Dexter produced 500 yards of reception yards for us. For what he was, sure, that's respectable.

But he wasn't elusive after the catch (something we've witnessed Hemingway be in a small sample size) which is something is think you'd like to see from a slot wr.

I'm sure dexter was/is smarter than Hemingway and was a more reliable set of hands to have on third down.

But again, they let him walk and chose to replace him with a 4th round rookie and a 7th round special teamer. The front office/ staff basically told us with that decision how they felt in regards to Dexter
Posts: 81,095
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 03:56 PM   #81
AustinChief AustinChief is offline
Administrator
 
AustinChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Austin
Casino cash: $2959112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing View Post
Considering he was sacked on the play in which he was open, it likely means that Tenn brought an extra player on 3rd down, which of course means SOMEONE is open and Smith simply didn't have the time to make the play.
The problem is, what I posted shows that you were wrong about him not getting open. Maybe Smith doesn't trust him. Maybe he is an idiot. Maybe he is open running the wrong route. I have no idea, hence the thread. He is not however, having any issues getting open.
Posts: 19,479
AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 03:58 PM   #82
ModSocks ModSocks is offline
Needs more middle fingers
 
ModSocks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Casino cash: $4484563
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinChief View Post
The problem is, what I posted shows that you were wrong about him not getting open. Maybe Smith doesn't trust him. Maybe he is an idiot. Maybe he is open running the wrong route. I have no idea, hence the thread. He is not however, having any issues getting open.
Getting open on a given play does not equate to "open the majority of the time he's asked to".
__________________
It's O'side or No side, baby.
Posts: 64,042
ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:00 PM   #83
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $3004064
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Laz View Post
beyond stupid

Hemingway might have the potential to be better than McCluster but until he actually DOES IT then he is just a ST guy who can block.

So you think that Reid just doesn't feel like using Hemingway for no reason? There is a reason and since Hemingway seems to have the physical ability it only make sense that it's the mental aspect of the game.

McCluster wasn't great but at least he actually DID something.

still waiting on Hemingway
I can agree with this.

Physically, there isn't anything Dexter can do on the football field that's superior to Hemingway. Look at their combine #s.

Physically. Mentally, apparently that's a different story.
Posts: 81,095
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:01 PM   #84
ModSocks ModSocks is offline
Needs more middle fingers
 
ModSocks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Casino cash: $4484563
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city View Post
The 2010 draft was not a shitty draft, but that's a different argument.

Dexter produced 500 yards of reception yards for us. For what he was, sure, that's respectable.

But he wasn't elusive after the catch (something we've witnessed Hemingway be in a small sample size) which is something is think you'd like to see from a slot wr.

I'm sure dexter was/is smarter than Hemingway and was a more reliable set of hands to have on third down.

But again, they let him walk and chose to replace him with a 4th round rookie and a 7th round special teamer. The front office/ staff basically told us with that decision how they felt in regards to Dexter
If Hemingway has shown elusivness, then so has Dexter. One play of making a guy miss does not = Elusive.

Dexter has made one guy miss before too. Hemingway made a guy miss. Big deal. Dexter has too and no one calls him elusive.

They let him walk because he was replaceable. No one ever said he wasn't. The contract has to make sense, obviously.
__________________
It's O'side or No side, baby.
Posts: 64,042
ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:01 PM   #85
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $3004064
We've got/had wrs open all year. It hasn't become different the past 2 weeks.
Posts: 81,095
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:02 PM   #86
AustinChief AustinChief is offline
Administrator
 
AustinChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Austin
Casino cash: $2959112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing View Post
Getting open on a given play does not equate to "open the majority of the time he's asked to".
You are correct. He was open 100% of the time I have checked so far (all 2 times he was asked to get open). But you told me "not to bother" showing you that it is true for more series in more games. Unless I have severely missed something... this is how it has played out all season so far. I have watched the 2nd and 3rd games twice and the last one 3 times.

Maybe I am just seeing what I already assume is happening.. perception bias... but I highly doubt it.
Posts: 19,479
AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:03 PM   #87
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $3004064
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing View Post
If Hemingway has shown elusivness, then so has Dexter. One play of making a guy miss does not = Elusive.

Dexter has made one guy miss before too. Hemingway made a guy miss. Big deal. Dexter has too and no one calls him elusive.

They let him walk because he was replaceable. No one ever said he wasn't. The contract has to make sense, obviously.
Dexter didn't though. He got tackled by 1 guy the majority of the time. And for te record, Hemingway broke two tackles to gain a first down on said play.

Dexter is what he is, same as Hemingway.
Posts: 81,095
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:05 PM   #88
ModSocks ModSocks is offline
Needs more middle fingers
 
ModSocks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Casino cash: $4484563
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city View Post
Dexter didn't though. He got tackled by 1 guy the majority of the time. And for te record, Hemingway broke two tackles to gain a first down on said play.

Dexter is what he is, same as Hemingway.
Dexter DID though.

Que up the Jacksonville gif, it carries as much weight as that one time Hemingway made someone miss.
__________________
It's O'side or No side, baby.
Posts: 64,042
ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.ModSocks is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:22 PM   #89
the Talking Can the Talking Can is offline
Supporter
 
the Talking Can's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: street
Casino cash: $10022208
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing View Post
Look at the way the Chiefs spread the ball around. Look at all of the different players that were targeted on Monday night. Reid and Smith spread the ball around, no question about that.

So why is Hemingway not getting as many targets in a system that LOVES to spread the ball around despite the fact that he's frequently on the field?

Maybe...just maybe....he's not as good as you think he is.
this


his upside is a #4 WR...he isn't fast, doesn't get separation...can't get any run on the worst WR roster in the league

there's a 100 of him on the bottom of rosters in the league
__________________
Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
Posts: 51,585
the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 04:22 PM   #90
AustinChief AustinChief is offline
Administrator
 
AustinChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Austin
Casino cash: $2959112
btw, I still think everyone is ridiculously undervaluing blocking as a major asset for a WR. In the offense we run, it is extremely valuable.

Saying "any WR can block" is as ludicrous as saying any WR can catch.
Posts: 19,479
AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.AustinChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:11 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.